Re: OESFD OOP
 

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ohhh, so even if villain doesn't put another dime in on the river, we have odds to call? didn't do the math.

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Yup [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] If he flipped his cards over and showed a set, we should call. If he flipped his cards over and showed 2 pair, we should still call. If he showed us a straight we should fold.

Factoring all of these combinations together makes it an easy call.

Re: OESFD OOP
 

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I think what he could have that he's calling a shove with:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

3,476 games 0.005 secs 695,200 games/sec

Board: 9s Jd Ts 3c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 43.714% 39.53% 04.19% 1374 145.50 { QsJs }
Hand 1: 56.286% 52.10% 04.19% 1811 145.50 { JcJh, JcJs, JhJs, TcTd, TcTh, TdTh, 9c9d, 9c9h, 9d9h, AcJc, AhJh, KcQc, KdQd, KhQh, QcJc, QhJh, QcTc, QdTd, QhTh, JcTc, JhTh, Jc9c, Jh9h, Tc9c, Td9d, Th9h, 87s, AcJh, AdJc, AdJh, AhJc, AsJc, AsJh, KcQd, KcQh, KdQc, KdQh, KhQc, KhQd, KsQc, KsQd, KsQh, QcJh, QcJs, QdJc, QdJh, QdJs, QhJc, QhJs, QcTd, QcTh, QdTc, QdTh, QhTc, QhTd, JcTd, JcTh, JhTc, JhTd, Jc9d, Jc9h, Jh9c, Jh9d, Tc9d, Tc9h, Td9c, Td9h, Th9c, Th9d, 87o }

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that is way too big of a range for someone who raises the turn at 50nl

Re: OESFD OOP
 

What in there do you think he's not raising? Maybe the AJ but that's really it I think.



Obviously any reads or stats would drastically help us to define a range for him. Got anything for us, OP?

Re: OESFD OOP
 

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one of my rules is to open shove into any size pot with any size stack with an OESFD. S

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This is pretty terrible if you actually mean that. So you would bet $52.40 into the $3.75 flop? That is really really bad.

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yes, I actually meant that. most of the time, it doesn't mean much. But we are ahead most of the time that we either take the pot right there, or we embrace a little variance and usually take down a monster. Plus, it confuses the hell out of ALL of your opponents (as long as you don't show when you aren't called).

edit: this is usually in a retardedly loose/agg game. sometimes I'll just grossly overbet the pot, sometimes crai. Then again, it's been a while since I've sat in a tight game.

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i guess the QT and and QJ hands. but rest of range looks good on second reading

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i guess the QT and and QJ hands. but rest of range looks good on second reading

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Yea..they might not raise either. I think that this is pretty close. At the table I'm pretty sure I would always shove here.

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i guess the QT and and QJ hands. but rest of range looks good on second reading

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Yea..they might not raise either. I think that this is pretty close. At the table I'm pretty sure I would always shove here.

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if you would always shove here, how much FE do you think we really have?

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i guess the QT and and QJ hands. but rest of range looks good on second reading

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Yea..they might not raise either. I think that this is pretty close. At the table I'm pretty sure I would always shove here.

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if you would always shove here, how much FE do you think we really have?

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Not really that much. But I don't think we need him to fold much to make it +ev. And I'll take the metagame aspect of if he folds don't raise my turn bet or else.....and if he calls you then people will see you 3bet the turn with a seemingly weakish hand.


A call might be better, but all of our outs are pretty obvious. Yea I like definitely just shove here especially since at the table I don't have a ton of time to think.

Re: OESFD OOP
 

lego, seems breakeven at best. I think overbetting the flop and shoving there would be better. Here, we have his stack if we check to him on the riv after hitting our gin card. meh.

Re: OESFD OOP
 

after all of this discussion, results?