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The cards play, Adolf wins. Bambi only gets this pot without showing a winner if Adolf allows him to do it.

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Adolf folded, Bambi wins. But it's $3 so who really cares?

I take Adolf's throwing his cards into the middle and his statemnt of "take it" to imply he has conceded. If dealer is following proper procedures he should take Adolf's hand and put it into the muck. At this point only Bambi has a hand so it doesn't matter what he has.

Somebody feel free to correct me (intelligently please) if I'm mistaken in this.

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this is what I initially thought too... confused now...

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$3 home game and he doesn't think middle pair is good? I want in on this juicy action! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Adolph and it isn't close. It was at showdown and he tabled his hand. If Adolph had tossed the cards face down, yeah, he gave up. But the cards were presented face up, and Adolph was just expressing exasperation and lack of confidence in his holding by saying "take it" while not actually giving up by mucking.

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Adolph and it isn't close. It was at showdown and he tabled his hand. If Adolph had tossed the cards face down, yeah, he gave up. But the cards were presented face up, and Adolph was just expressing exasperation and lack of confidence in his holding by saying "take it" while not actually giving up by mucking.

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What if he had said "I fold"?

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Why are you serving Doritos at a home game? Why not serve cotton candy and popsicles as well? Sheesh! : )

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Adolph and it isn't close. It was at showdown and he tabled his hand. If Adolph had tossed the cards face down, yeah, he gave up. But the cards were presented face up, and Adolph was just expressing exasperation and lack of confidence in his holding by saying "take it" while not actually giving up by mucking.

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What if he had said "I fold"?

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Before or after he called? If before he called then he loses the pot, but his last "call" doiesn't go in the pot. If After he cvalled, he can't fold -- there ios no more betting they are at showdown. Saying I fold is meaningless if you table your hand (if you announce you fold or that say "You Win" and your opponent mucks his cards you lose the pot . . . but in this casae the opponent showed his cards)

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Adolph and it isn't close. It was at showdown and he tabled his hand. If Adolph had tossed the cards face down, yeah, he gave up. But the cards were presented face up, and Adolph was just expressing exasperation and lack of confidence in his holding by saying "take it" while not actually giving up by mucking.

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What if he had said "I fold"?

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He was all in, how can someone who is all in fold? This idea isn't making any sense. You mean if he "mucked"? Then yes, Bambi wins the pot. But he didn't muck, he tabled his hand, showing he had a pair of 8's.

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If he says "I fold" then I wait for the hand to be put in the muck. But "take it" isn't the same thing, but is similar to "you got it" which also isn't a fold.

I did this once when I was new at my cardroom job. Someone angrily threw his hand face up into the board. I mucked it. All hell broke loose.

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Adolf instantly throws his J8 face up in the middle of the table, gestures to the pot and says 'take it'. Bambi says 'oh ok, cool!' and reaches for the pot, in doing so putting his Q10 face up on the table. Adolf goes apeshit, and starts saying 'my pot, my pot!' Brief argument ensues between Adolf and another player, with Bambi looking on bemusedly. Pot ends up being awarded to Adolf after a vote by the other players at the table.

My feeling was that the pot should have been Bambis. Whats the correct ruling?

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This scenario happens many times in casinos. Guy with a bad pair will bluff and get called and he figures there's no way his hand can be good if the other guy called so he says something like "take it" or "you got it" and then the other guy turns over an even worse hand (he may have called because he though the first guy was on a missed draw and was trying to steal the pot). So long as he tables his hand (turns the cards face up on the table for the dealer to read and not just show his neighbor that he had a hand) his cards speak and he wins the pot. If the other guy mucks instead of tabling it then he can table his hand and still win it although he'd better show down at least some kind of hand and not complete garbage or else he will be accused of angle-shooting.