Re: Messing with an ABC TAG
 

I don't think its horrible. You fold out Tx nearly always, JJ often folds, and if he plays like this with KK/AA on the turn he may even fold them a decent amount of the time. Def a thin river bluff though.

I'm undecided on the turn, could go either way here.

Re: Messing with an ABC TAG
 

i much prefer a raise here, it shows alot of strength and our draw has some dodgy outs (spades), so we want to force out other draws.

as played, i think it is ok. depends on the TAG really. just trying to think what he would Cbet, then call the turn and whether he would call the river. it is hard to put him on a really strong hand, but some TAG's get worried with overpairs on dangerous boards like these and just try and check them down

Re: Messing with an ABC TAG
 

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I don't understand the river. What are you represeting?

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J8, QsXs

Re: Messing with an ABC TAG
 

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Why? You have a lot of showdown value, I don't get it? Do you think he's calling with A9?

Edit - Turn is fine.

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what does he show down agaisnt and win besides draws and A9s

Re: Messing with an ABC TAG
 

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Why? You have a lot of showdown value, I don't get it? Do you think he's calling with A9?

Edit - Turn is fine.

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what does he show down agaisnt and win besides draws and A9s

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What better hands does he have that fold?

Re: Messing with an ABC TAG
 

We def don't have SD value once he calls the turn. I don't really like betting that card though since he might not expect us to vb QJ, and spades missed. Spades/A/straight cards are good to bet river with.

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he is folding every 1 pair hand and thats pretty much villains range.

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I wish I could find opponents like this

Re: Messing with an ABC TAG
 

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Why? You have a lot of showdown value, I don't get it? Do you think he's calling with A9?

Edit - Turn is fine.

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what does he show down agaisnt and win besides draws and A9s

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What better hands does he have that fold?

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That is irrelevant to his question

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Why? You have a lot of showdown value, I don't get it? Do you think he's calling with A9?

Edit - Turn is fine.

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what does he show down agaisnt and win besides draws and A9s

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What better hands does he have that fold?

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That is irrelevant to his question

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I realize that, I word things wrong all the time. Like, what hands does he have? Overpairs, maybe better 10s, or draws and random 9s.

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he is folding every 1 pair hand and thats pretty much villains range.

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I wish I could find opponents like this

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for real

I think you do have showdown value btw.

actually maybe not. I don't think you get folds that often vs his range really.