Re: Bluff turn three bet
 

without debating the merits of 3betting with your monsters vs waiting till the river, the villain certainly doesn't know that you will be waiting till the river with your monsters. at $3/$6 people put in action on the turn with monsters much more often than they wait till the river without thinking too much about it. so even if you are right that's not really relevant for the current hand.

also, i have no doubt that 3betting or capping with a draw happens all the time in higher stakes games, but this is $3/$6, which plays quite a bit differently.

Re: Bluff turn three bet
 

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also, i have no doubt that 3betting or capping with a draw happens all the time in higher stakes games, but this is $3/$6, which plays quite a bit differently.

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even more reason to not 3b this turn since it is $3/6

Re: Bluff turn three bet
 

I don't try and out-LAG LAGs. I check behind here and call most rivers. If I bet the turn it's because I think I can fold (not likely against a guy like this) or I expect him to bluff enough that I can call down and have him spew (which you would need a read beyond stats for.)

Re: Bluff turn three bet
 

all in all this is a bad spot to bluff
since our KQ has showdown value

you want to pick better spots
with hands with no showdown value

like this for example

folds to HERO in CO, HERO raises 7c8c
button folds, sb folds, bb calls

flop is 5 6 Th

bb checks, HERO bets, bb raises, HERO calls

turn Kh

bb bets, HERO raises

we are at least putting in one bet regardless while
drawing to our straight or trying to pair our 7 or an 8

for one more bet we have FE given our pf, flop play
it follows the story that we can have a K here

it also buys us 8 more bluff outs on the river
if another heart rolls off because we are saying
that on the turn we are either raising with a pair

or making a semibluff raise with a flushdraw

so now we have 16 potential winning cards for our hand

the 8 that make a straight and the 8 flush cards

our hand has no showdown value so
its a reasonable spot to get tricky

Re: Bluff turn three bet
 

I could be convinced this isn't spew, but at the same time, by default, I think it is. What are this players showdown numbers? If he's a calling station, he'll look you up here often, because you either have a J or total air. He knows you probably don't have an overpair since you just 3-bet and are probably pretty tight.

So given your hand range right now is pretty much the nuts or nothing, I don't like it. However, if he's the type of opponent who might think "wow, he just 3-bet, he probably has me beat" then I think it's ok every now and again.

But again, I would need to be convinced that this is correct and not spew.

Re: Bluff turn three bet
 

I think check turn and call most rivers is the best play. If a turn c/r is going to put me in a gross spot, id rather see showdown for 1 bb than put in 3 as you did here. Id also rather not get c/red off of 6 outs.

EDIT: this sounds like the kind of guy that will bluff a lot of rivers when you check, making a turn check look even better.

Re: Bluff turn three bet
 

If you bet, you have to fold. You have KING HIGH bro. True, a normal player would c/r the flop with a pair, but this dude is not normal. True, this will often be some sort of semi-bluff with a picked up heart draw or T9, but I don't think you have a +ev calldown. He could also be 'bluffing' with A hi for all you know.

Checking behind is also ok, but I would only call non T/9/7 rivers if I do.

Anyway, I would b/f the turn. If a lag pushes you off KING HIGH with a worse hand, big [censored] deal, next hand.

Re: Bluff turn three bet
 

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If you bet, you have to fold. You have KING HIGH bro. True, a normal player would c/r the flop with a pair, but this dude is not normal. True, this will often be some sort of semi-bluff with a picked up heart draw or T9, but I don't think you have a +ev calldown. He could also be 'bluffing' with A hi for all you know.

Checking behind is also ok, but I would only call non T/9/7 rivers if I do.

Anyway, I would b/f the turn. If a lag pushes you off KING HIGH with a worse hand, big [censored] deal, next hand.

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yeah when i do stuff like this and review my session later... i can usually tell where a few BB's went. Worse thing is now i soooo don't want to showdown.