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matrix 11-04-2007 12:15 PM

Re: QQ
 
snap call and send TPTK to the poor house.

He has AJ/KJ at these stakes more often than he has AA/KK/JJ & AKdd combined - we gots one [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] so the flush draw has one less out than it thinks it does.

I think this range is a little too tight and we are ~55/45 favourite against it - so snap call with fist pump.

40,590 games 0.003 secs 13,530,000 games/sec

Board: 3d 9d Jh
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 46.934% 45.77% 01.16% 18578 472.50 { JJ+, AdKd, AJs, KJs, AJo, KJo }
Hand 1: 53.066% 51.90% 01.16% 21067 472.50 { QdQs }

bsball8806 11-04-2007 12:18 PM

Re: QQ
 
ok, given those stats, it looks like a call

dlorc 11-04-2007 12:23 PM

Re: QQ
 
I think one valid point is that w/o a decent # of hands on villain you really have no clue as to whether he's got a decent hand, an overpair, a flush draw/etc

At low limits you'll frequently see wild raises/bets and imo the hardest thing about lower stakes games is identifying the crazies who play 13/7 and then suddenly push allin into a tiny pot oop with total air vs a nit.

His range is certainly bigger than you think, which is why this is a profitable call @ 10nl.

Mihalych 11-04-2007 12:34 PM

Re: QQ
 
ok, call is profitable.
But my first action on flop.Is it right.
Should i check?

Inf1n1tY 11-04-2007 12:36 PM

Re: QQ
 
Easy fold, ur either facing AA, KK or a set of jacks, even if u give urself 10% equity that hes bluffing. I would play that hand the same way. I dont rr oop in micro without a read or AA KK

Nick Royale 11-04-2007 12:37 PM

Re: QQ
 
[ QUOTE ]
Should i check?

[/ QUOTE ]
Yes yes yes.

thac 11-04-2007 12:38 PM

Re: QQ
 
I don't like leading the flop after we flat called preflop (which I like), but check/raise should be pretty standard here against a 75bb stack that we have no history with.

matrix 11-04-2007 01:20 PM

Re: QQ
 
[ QUOTE ]
Easy fold, ur either facing AA, KK or a set of jacks, even if u give urself 10% equity that hes bluffing. I would play that hand the same way.

[/ QUOTE ]


this range is more accurate:

Board: 3d 9d Jh
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 55.525% 54.52% 01.01% 28067 517.50 { QdQs }
Hand 1: 44.475% 43.47% 01.01% 22378 517.50 { JJ+, AdKd, AJs, AdTd, Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad7d, Ad6d, A5s-A4s, Ad3d, Ad2d, KdJd, KdTd, QdJd, JdTd, AcKh, AcKs, AdKh, AdKs, KcJd, KcJh, KcJs, KdJh, KdJs, KhJs, QcJh, QcJs, QhJc, QhJs, QsJc, QsJh, JcTd, JcTh, JcTs, JdTh, JdTs, JhTs }

We are still a 55:45 favourite.

This range is basically A2dd+ (nut fd - AJdd has also nfd+TP - no AQdd cos we gots the Q)

JJ+ (top set - QQ for the tie - and 2 better Overpairs)

AJo (TPTK)

KJdd/QJdd (TPGK+fd)

AKo (AKo 1/4 of times he is dealt to represent a bluff)

KJo/JTo (1/2 of times dealt)




We could think that we were a 35:65 underdog and it will still be a profitable call to make in the long run we are getting better than 3:1 pot odds. In fact the range of *just* JJ+ and 10% of the time as a bluff is ~34/66 so is about breakeven (losing slightly cos of the rake.)


[ QUOTE ]
I dont rr oop in micro without a read or AA KK

[/ QUOTE ]

If you don't reraise QQ and AK from any position you are burning money.


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