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Testing theories is for suckers.

Clearly the problem is far too subtle to be able to test, but obvious enough for players in the know (taps nose) to notice it.

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Agreed. It's sublte, obvious to alert players, and it's devastating.

The following covers the period 9/21/07 through yesterday. All hands played LHE short.
[image]http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/9...rsshortlg9.jpg[/image]

Re: party vs stars difference
 

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Testing theories is for suckers.

Clearly the problem is far too subtle to be able to test, but obvious enough for players in the know (taps nose) to notice it.

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Agreed. It's sublte, obvious to alert players, and it's devastating.

The following covers the period 9/21/07 through yesterday. All hands played LHE short.
[image]http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/9...rsshortlg9.jpg[/image]

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Tilting is so bad for you

Re: party vs stars difference
 

I take it you're being serious, zerosum? If not lol @ me, leveled

Re: party vs stars difference
 

party is better $$$ , just stick to party then

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Agreed. It's sublte, obvious to alert players, and it's devastating.

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Are you just trolling, or do you actually believe this?

I'm offering to bet against you. If you believe PokerStars deals are far enough from random to be "obvious to alert players," this is a chance for you to make a lot of money! If you aren't willing to bet, please come up with an amusing excuse for why we should believe something absurd that you don't believe enough to bet on, just like the other whiners.

Re: party vs stars difference
 

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Agreed. It's sublte, obvious to alert players, and it's devastating.

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Are you just trolling, or do you actually believe this?

I'm offering to bet against you. If you believe PokerStars deals are far enough from random to be "obvious to alert players," this is a chance for you to make a lot of money! If you aren't willing to bet, please come up with an amusing excuse for why we should believe something absurd that you don't believe enough to bet on, just like the other whiners.

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willing to tack on another $20k on top of whatever phizon is betting

Re: party vs stars difference
 

Outline in detail your investigation plan.

Re: party vs stars difference
 

No tilting. I was wondering how much time would pass before that tired, old excuse/explanation would make an appearance.

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I take it you're being serious, zerosum? If not lol @ me, leveled

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I'm being as serious as a heart attack.

Re: party vs stars difference
 

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Outline in detail your investigation plan.

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You didn't answer whether you are willing to put your money where your mouth is. If you believe your words enough to accuse PokerStars publicly of cheating, does that mean you believe your accusations enough to bet on them, or are you now retracting your claims and apologizing to PokerStars and everyone you tried to convince, or are you dishonest and want to keep asserting things you don't believe?

The details depend on exactly what patterns you claim. You have to be more specific than just that draws hit too frequently. At least how much more frequently do they hit? Do flush draws hit 10% too often, or is it more subtle than that, but still somehow "obvious" to observant players? Do you believe all hands are rigged this way? Does it only happen to punish players who are ahead? Does it only happen in big pots? Remember, for the pattern to be relevant, it has to show up often enough to affect win rates, so royal flushes appearing on the board twice as often as they should and aces getting cracked 0.01% extra are not viable patterns.

Just about any deviation from randomness you claim can be tested by collecting a substantial amount of unbiased data (such as hands where all hole cards are known) and analyzing it mathematically. Less subtle patterns can be tested by using data whose bias is bounded, say hands where both players were all-in by the turn.

I am a mathematician, but if you don't trust me, we can pay an independent gambling expert such as Michael Shackleford of WizardOfOdds.com to perform the routine Bayesian analysis comparing the hypothesis that the deals are completely fair and random against the hypothesis that the deals follow whatever pattern you claim. If you are right, you will be over 99% to win. If you are wrong, you will be over 99% to lose.

Are you willing to bet, or not?