Re: A Seif Bet - for those who still believe a word he, or AP, says
 

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The thing is, nobody who plays against Mark wants him to get in trouble for obvious reasons. So if the players want him to stay, those of us who don't play him should let it be.

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ummmm...no

Re: A Seif Bet - for those who still believe a word he, or AP, says
 

So if Seif continues to "chip dump", we should all keep quiet. hmm ...

Re: A Seif Bet - for those who still believe a word he, or AP, says
 

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Seif doesn’t bother to keep his own HH either, but that’s okay, because according to AP’s license (Kahwanakee Gaming Commission rule 245), AP must keep hand history data for a minimum of five years – or face a $1000+ fine for each one it deletes.

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At the time AP had a Six Nations license, and their servers was probably located there. (This can be part of the problem with getting the HH.)

Re: A Seif Bet - for those who still believe a word he, or AP, says
 

Well spotted. According to this link, the Six Nations Gambling Commission consisted of three people, who were all fired and replaced after letting their one and only licensee (yup - AP was all they had!) operate from the reservation without approval.

http://online.casinocity.com/jurisdi...ion.cfm?Id=301

Still, it isn't the reason those HH were deleted. There is a simple proof that the 'server move' had nothing to do with it but I'm not about to help AP's defence. I think you'll work it out when you follow that link.

I will, however, respectfully draw your attention to Seif's conversation with AP Support, where a second excuse for deleting those crucial records was also given (two separate reasons - how's that for bad luck!): apparently 30Gb of HH data per month - yes, that's fully half an iPod - is just too much for an online poker company to deal with...

EDIT: Sod it - AP is beyond help. The reason the server move is irrelevant is because it AP would have all the HH since it happened. They don't.

Hard disks don't self-delete or leap out of servers. It takes a deliberate act to wipe out recorded data.

"The audit won't be limited to a certain time-frame - we are allowing them to see the entire two-months-worth of our records..."

Re: A Seif Bet - for those who still believe a word he, or AP, says
 

So is UB safe to play?
Or should I just quit them both.

Re: A Seif Bet - for those who still believe a word he, or AP, says
 

I don't see how anyone could be comfortable with UB until they completely dissociate with AP. And even then who knows if they really are or not.

Re: A Seif Bet - for those who still believe a word he, or AP, says
 

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The thing is, nobody who plays against Mark wants him to get in trouble for obvious reasons. So if the players want him to stay, those of us who don't play him should let it be.

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Ok,I get this logic. Because cheaters are poor players, we should keep them in business.

Now my question is, so when do you know when he is NOT cheating? Be careful when you answer that, because it's important.

Re: A Seif Bet - for those who still believe a word he, or AP, says
 

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The thing is, nobody who plays against Mark wants him to get in trouble for obvious reasons. So if the players want him to stay, those of us who don't play him should let it be.

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He isn't going to get in trouble. There is pretty much no legal recourse for anybody who was cheated. *If* he is a cheater and cover up artist, he deserves to be labeled as one forever. Would that really affect him? Probably not, but it is the least we can do.

Re: A Seif Bet - for those who still believe a word he, or AP, says
 

So how many different excuses have they come up with for the missing hand histories? The more [contradicting] stories that they tell, the more obvious it is that they are not being entirely truthful. It's a shame there isn't a hand history of Seif folding out of turn to his opponent's K9 full house...

Re: A Seif Bet - for those who still believe a word he, or AP, says
 

Whats the bet referred to in the OP's title?