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MDMA 10-29-2007 07:01 PM

Re: Would this raise be too thin
 
I'd say nobody has the image to pull a raise off here, it's probably just plain bad.

tcorbin16 10-29-2007 07:06 PM

Re: Would this raise be too thin
 
i almost think if u raise here ur turnin ur hand into a bluff....

wheres aejones for the range merge speech

innerpeace 10-29-2007 07:20 PM

Re: Would this raise be too thin
 
unless you have an image that warrants it, which is generally unlikely, a raise is -ev here.

runningirl07 10-29-2007 07:41 PM

Re: Would this raise be too thin
 
what do you think about a turn raise? ANYONE?

recallme 10-29-2007 07:50 PM

Re: Would this raise be too thin
 
I think raising turn or river doesn`t make much differnece, but i could catch another bluff by just calling

Dale Dough 10-30-2007 01:49 AM

Re: Would this raise be too thin
 
I think you played the hand fine (if you just called riv). I think the hands you beat that call a turn raise are going to fire the river anyway, and you cost yourself money if he has you beat. So I don't like raising the turn, and raising this river WTF.

Unless AA-QQ AJ? is a standard shove for him on the turn?

recallme 10-30-2007 07:20 AM

Re: Would this raise be too thin
 
So you guys think he lays QQ+ away?

Dale Dough 10-30-2007 10:16 AM

Re: Would this raise be too thin
 
I'm not saying he's always laying down QQ, although I definitely think it's not a standard call in his spot. I'm saying this:

<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre>84 games 0.005 secs 16,800 games/sec

Board: 9s Jd 5h 6d Td
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 50.000% 50.00% 00.00% 42 0.00 { 6c5c }
Hand 1: 50.000% 50.00% 00.00% 42 0.00 { JJ+, 99, 55, AJs, KdQd, KJs, J9s+, 87s, AJo, KJo, J9o+, 87o }</pre><hr />

(J9+ means J9 and JT)

This is being generous in that he always calls AJ KJ (and has that last hand in the first place) and QQ-AA. He might not raise 87o, but he probably doesn't fire three barrels with KJ, maybe AJ, and likely folds a bunch of one pair hands. So I see no value in betting.

EDIT forgot random suited Aces that got there. So def. not a raise IMO.

emil3000 10-30-2007 11:07 AM

Re: Would this raise be too thin
 
I'd say you're more likely to fold out a better hand (specifically 9T with or without a flushdraw) than to have a worse hand call.

FiSheYe 10-31-2007 10:27 AM

Re: Would this raise be too thin
 
Don't play these games unless I am playing. Don't play Samo, he is a Whale Hunter. Don't call the flop unless you have a good read how Samo is playing on the turn and what he thinks of your calling range. Definately do not raise the river unless you have a very clear read he will look you up light and not bluff shove.


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