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Imrahil 10-29-2007 12:35 PM

Re: 200NL- He either has AK or AQ here and I lose to AQ
 
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against tomtom I think that you should check/fold the turn. He's TAP, not TAG

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I just thought that most players bet the Q turn card w/ AK here.

matt85 10-29-2007 12:37 PM

Re: 200NL- He either has AK or AQ here and I lose to AQ
 
As played I fold. If I call here I fully expect to get shown AQ or better like 80% of the time here cos I think AK absolutely fires that flop most of the time after RR pre (unless he's VERY nitty or you image is super-lag) making it unlikely. Throw in a few random monsters 77/88 etc and I think its a pretty easy fold tbh.

rand 10-29-2007 12:39 PM

Re: 200NL- He either has AK or AQ here and I lose to AQ
 
fold this so fast, i prolly play it the same and release on the river

if hes aggro PF OTB consider a 4 bet though...JJ is pretty good

Stonewalled 10-29-2007 12:42 PM

Re: 200NL- He either has AK or AQ here and I lose to AQ
 
It feels like you're behind on the river to AA-KK, AQ, KQ. I could see him occasionally checking behind the flop for pot control and deception with AA-KK, although I agree I wouldn't normally expect it. On the other hand, I could see him checking AK behind on the river a lot.

Was your plan to play it passively post-flop if low cards hit? I don't understand: why didn't you at least bet the turn to protect your hand? I would have bet either the flop or the turn.

Finally, I'm not crazy about playing this passively if you're going to call the turn and fold the river. That is, as played, while I think it's a fold on the river, that probably means it is on the turn, too (again, though, I would have bet the turn).

Suigin406 10-29-2007 12:42 PM

Re: 200NL- He either has AK or AQ here and I lose to AQ
 
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against tomtom I think that you should check/fold the turn. He's TAP, not TAG

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I just thought that most players bet the Q turn card w/ AK here.

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i agree, most do, but the river is something else, yea, it might not be as close as i first thought, this prolly is a fold even more now

hotbacon 10-29-2007 12:43 PM

Re: 200NL- He either has AK or AQ here and I lose to AQ
 
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against tomtom I think that you should check/fold the turn. He's TAP, not TAG

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I just thought that most players bet the Q turn card w/ AK here.

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dude never bluffs

rand 10-29-2007 12:44 PM

Re: 200NL- He either has AK or AQ here and I lose to AQ
 
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I could see him occasionally checking behind the flop for pot control and deception with AA-KK

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these two things are mutually exclusive imo
and OOP without the lead his flop and turn and river checks are all super standard and are how i would play this hand against almost anyone without history

hotbacon 10-29-2007 12:46 PM

Re: 200NL- He either has AK or AQ here and I lose to AQ
 
betting the turn wouldn't be bad, he can easily have TT or 99 or smth here going for pto control on flop

Stonewalled 10-29-2007 12:53 PM

Re: 200NL- He either has AK or AQ here and I lose to AQ
 
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I could see him occasionally checking behind the flop for pot control and deception with AA-KK

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these two things are mutually exclusive imo
and OOP without the lead his flop and turn and river checks are all super standard and are how i would play this hand against almost anyone without history

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I don't think they're mutually exclusive; just part of mixing up your game. That is, when I check behind for pot control with a strong hand on the flop, it is deceptive not only for this hand, but also when I do the same thing in the future.

I get your point about c/c oop, but here I think it's pretty likely Villain is ahead on the turn, and I would want to bet for protection.

scallop 10-29-2007 12:58 PM

Re: 200NL- He either has AK or AQ here and I lose to AQ
 
bet the turn here. seems like the best line given you know if you call the turn you are checking the river, and he is gonna bet like 100% of his range.


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