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boracay 10-23-2007 05:42 AM

Re: Bush kiss of death: Aznar, Berlusconi, Blair, Kaczynski
 
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For the politicians mentioned in the original post there was no room for explaining other reasons why they lost their elections or stepped down, it was just "Bush kiss of death". So my post is as serious as the OP.

But of course in most European elections issues like tax, education, crime, immigration, economy and such play important roles before an election. But this information seem to be unimportant to the whole "Bush kiss of death"-theory.

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According to this poll (and my belief) you're wrong. In 18 of 21 countries polled, President Bush's re-election is seen by most as negative for world security

or America's Image in the World

Favorable opinions of the USA:
GB - 83% in 1999/2000 down to 56% in 2005/2006
Germany - 78% in 1999/2000 down to 37% in 2005/2006
France - 62% in 1999/2000 down to 39% in 2005/2006
Spain - 50% in 1999/2000 down to 23% in 2005/2006
Turkey - 62% in 1999/2000 down to 12% in 2005/2006

Note this were ratings in the US closest allies. Imagine the same polls elsewhere or in Muslim countries. Also imagine those rating in case of war against Iran.

I think it's easy to say that strong support of the current US policy is not gaining votes, but losing them.

AlexM 10-23-2007 05:52 AM

Re: Bush kiss of death: Aznar, Berlusconi, Blair, Kaczynski
 
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PM elect Tusk already announced he's pulling all Polish troops out of Iraq "very soon".

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Hmm... where have I heard that line before? Seems like I heard something like that around November of last year in relation to the U.S. elections... hmm...

mrick 10-24-2007 08:47 AM

Re: Bush kiss of death: Aznar, Berlusconi, Blair, Kaczynski
 
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The Danish Prime Minister was re-eleced and got more personal votes than any politician in the Danish Parliament ever had. Angela Merkel voiced support of the invasion of Iraq, and was elected Chancellor of Germany when she ran against Schoder who was against the war. French President Chirac who was against the war was seen as the least popular president in France in recent history. He was later replaced by Sarkozy who has expressed a lot more positive view of the US and wants a closer relationship with the US.

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Grabbing at straws, aren't we? The fate of the lonely and deserted... :-)

Taking a cue from the fate that befell other politicians on the receiving end of the Bush Kiss Of Death, Danish PM Rasmussen withdrew Danish troops in August 2007 from active duties. In fact, there are no more Danish military in Iraq and Denmark's "participation" in the coalition of the willing is henceforth restricted to some token non-military assistance around Baghdada. Which involves less than 500 men. And Rasmussen has refused to get involved in any kind of domestic political debate about Iraq for more than a year. Clever fellow! (Still, and on the basis of the rest of his work as PM, which is actually quite good, e.g. slashing runaway municipal expenditures, restricting immigration, etc, Rasmussen might turn out to be the exception that proves the rule!)

Angela Merkel should have been elected as German chancellor quite comfortably due to the many messes created by Social-Demorat Schroeder. The Christian-Democrats were leading at some point by 21% in opinion polls. Instead they were held back due to frau Merkel's bland support of the U.S. invasion of Iraq. In the 2005 elections, there was a stalemate, which resulted in a forced alliance with SPD. So, there will be no German support forthcoming for the American mess in Iraq. Sorry. In other words, Merkel's not yet politically dead by the Bush Kiss Of Death, but she had a narrow escape!

Chirac was unpopular for various reasons, none of which had anything to do with Iraq. In fact, his strong opposition to the war in Iraq was what was keeping his approval ratings amongst the French at a respectable level.

As to Sarkozy, he is saying the same things on Franco-American relations that Chirac was saying! There are few issues, indeed, if any, separating France and the United States -- aside from Iraq. But don't expect Sarkozy to send any time soon soldiers in Iraq or support the war there...

Canard 10-28-2007 10:07 AM

Re: Bush kiss of death: Aznar, Berlusconi, Blair, Kaczynski
 
Err, Blair won an election post-Iraq with a pretty healthy majority for a third term government and then stepped down at a time of his choosing.

AvivaSimplex 10-28-2007 04:53 PM

Re: Bush kiss of death: Aznar, Berlusconi, Blair, Kaczynski
 
I didn't realize the Unabomber had been elected to anything, much less supported Bush.


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