Re: overbet pushes into small pots early in low buy in tournies
 

IMO, I really don't like raising 10xBB because most players won't pay you off on your premium hands and when they do come in you will often be way behind or almost 50/50 PF. Most of the time the only hands that will come in will have you in trouble and drawing thin.

I try to standardize my inital raises and keep them all within 2.5-5x the BB so you don't give away the strength of your hand. I just don't see the point of building a huge pot PF unless you have some early limpers and possibly a raise in front of you.

For the times you get the donks to call you after raising so big you will occassionly run into AA or KK that will crush you. What do you do when someone comes back at you AI for your whole stack early in the tournament?

Re: overbet pushes into small pots early in low buy in tournies
 

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IMO, I really don't like raising 10xBB because most players won't pay you off on your premium hands and when they do come in you will often be way behind or almost 50/50 PF. Most of the time the only hands that will come in will have you in trouble and drawing thin.

I try to standardize my inital raises and keep them all within 2.5-5x the BB so you don't give away the strength of your hand. I just don't see the point of building a huge pot PF unless you have some early limpers and possibly a raise in front of you.

For the times you get the donks to call you after raising so big you will occassionly run into AA or KK that will crush you. What do you do when someone comes back at you AI for your whole stack early in the tournament?

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I'm only talking of doing this with QQ+ and AKs (maybe) in low-limit donkfests. Thats where you'll get paid. You won't be behind.

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IMO, I really don't like raising 10xBB because most players won't pay you off on your premium hands and when they do come in you will often be way behind or almost 50/50 PF. Most of the time the only hands that will come in will have you in trouble and drawing thin.

I try to standardize my inital raises and keep them all within 2.5-5x the BB so you don't give away the strength of your hand. I just don't see the point of building a huge pot PF unless you have some early limpers and possibly a raise in front of you.

For the times you get the donks to call you after raising so big you will occassionly run into AA or KK that will crush you. What do you do when someone comes back at you AI for your whole stack early in the tournament?

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I'm only talking of doing this with QQ+ and AKs (maybe) in low-limit donkfests. Thats where you'll get paid. You won't be behind.

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yes...probably throw JJ in during a low limit turbo but 1010 and AQ will be played like real poker

Re: overbet pushes into small pots early in low buy in tournies
 

I also never open raise 10x except once in a while if it's in the first hour of a rebuy. But we digress...

In reference to OP, I find this tool most valuable against the 4xbb raise. I think this is one of the most reliable tells that you can get online. It happens when the standard raise at your table has been 2.5-3xBB and suddenly someone brings in for 4xBB. This almost always is the villian announcing that he will not fold pre (usually with a mid pair or medium ace) and I love to shove with AK and QQ+ here. I'd say this is around 75% reliable in ssmtts.

Re: overbet pushes into small pots early in low buy in tournies
 

I change my mind, I am a big fan of the 10xBB open. Feel free to turn your cards face up when playing 150 bb deep.
Bond got a kick out of this hand.

Poker Stars, $50 + $5 NL Hold'em Tournament, 10/20 Blinds, 9 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (UTG+1): 3,000
UTG+2: 2,680
MP1: 6,450
MP2: 6,130
CO: 3,050
BTN: 2,940
SB: 2,860
BB: 2,920
UTG: 3,000

Pre-Flop: (30) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG+1)
<font color="red">UTG raises to 200</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to 3,000 and is All-In</font>, 7 folds, UTG calls 2,800 and is All-In

Flop: (6,030) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Turn: (6,030) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: (6,030) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: 6,030 Pot
Hero showed A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a full house, Aces full of Sixes) and WON 6,030 (+3,030 NET)
UTG showed Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (two pair, Queens and Sixes) and LOST (-3,000 NET)

Re: overbet pushes into small pots early in low buy in tournies
 

love it...see I'm a friggin genius! nh....seriously if goes right to Sklansky's determination of if there is a small chance they may call it may be +EV to push

Re: overbet pushes into small pots early in low buy in tournies
 

I thought he was like 90% to call and 95% to have JJ QQ or AK.

Re: overbet pushes into small pots early in low buy in tournies
 

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I change my mind, I am a big fan of the 10xBB open. Feel free to turn your cards face up when playing 150 bb deep.
Bond got a kick out of this hand.

Poker Stars, $50 + $5 NL Hold'em Tournament, 10/20 Blinds, 9 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (UTG+1): 3,000
UTG+2: 2,680
MP1: 6,450
MP2: 6,130
CO: 3,050
BTN: 2,940
SB: 2,860
BB: 2,920
UTG: 3,000

Pre-Flop: (30) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG+1)
<font color="red">UTG raises to 200</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to 3,000 and is All-In</font>, 7 folds, UTG calls 2,800 and is All-In

Flop: (6,030) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Turn: (6,030) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: (6,030) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: 6,030 Pot
Hero showed A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a full house, Aces full of Sixes) and WON 6,030 (+3,030 NET)
UTG showed Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (two pair, Queens and Sixes) and LOST (-3,000 NET)

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Is this person with QQ not always going to broke here...or at least 90% of the time?

This is an extreme example where standard raising and reraising would have led to the same thing anyway.

In ssmtt's ($1- $5 and low rebuys) you can raise pf 10xBB early on almost always and get callers. This makes it massively +EV. I have stated that in higher stakes this isn't the case as players will read you a mile off. As per Brandi's post.

Re: overbet pushes into small pots early in low buy in tournies
 

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I change my mind, I am a big fan of the 10xBB open. Feel free to turn your cards face up when playing 150 bb deep.
Bond got a kick out of this hand.

Poker Stars, $50 + $5 NL Hold'em Tournament, 10/20 Blinds, 9 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (UTG+1): 3,000
UTG+2: 2,680
MP1: 6,450
MP2: 6,130
CO: 3,050
BTN: 2,940
SB: 2,860
BB: 2,920
UTG: 3,000

Pre-Flop: (30) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG+1)
<font color="red">UTG raises to 200</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to 3,000 and is All-In</font>, 7 folds, UTG calls 2,800 and is All-In

Flop: (6,030) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Turn: (6,030) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: (6,030) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: 6,030 Pot
Hero showed A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a full house, Aces full of Sixes) and WON 6,030 (+3,030 NET)
UTG showed Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (two pair, Queens and Sixes) and LOST (-3,000 NET)

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Is this person with QQ not always going to broke here...or at least 90% of the time?

This is an extreme example where standard raising and reraising would have led to the same thing anyway.

In ssmtt's ($1- $5 and low rebuys) you can raise pf 10xBB early on almost always and get callers. This makes it massively +EV. I have stated that in higher stakes this isn't the case as players will read you a mile off. As per Brandi's post.

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odds are against a good player stacking off post flop but preflop they wll be vey suspicious and decide no way Brandi is doing with AA...not to be used always but damn nice when it works...also raising 10X and getting multiple callers is not +EV...it sucks and you may get 4 callers on a 10X raise a low limits

Re: overbet pushes into small pots early in low buy in tournies
 

You should be able to get away from QQ this deep.
Edited for londwindedness