Re: 10/25 tough river spot with JJ
 

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I don't know the villain, but I don't think the flop raise is strange. That size raise is usually my standard when I'm calling liberally in position, and want to play many different hands the same way. But given that, I think I would reraise the flop to about 800. That should stop all of his pure bluffs. It also puts him in a tough spot with a draw since by shoving he risks getting it all-in with only around 35-40% equity, and he is forced to waste his positional advantage by getting all-in. But a good player can certainly play QQ-AA like this, and they won't shove a hand that JJ ever dominates. So although it seems like we are turning JJ into a bluff, I don't think thats the case, and even if we do turn the hand into a bluff it may be a most EV way to play the hand. When he flat calls, I would check/fold a spade/K/A turn and c/r AI on a blank. You still get stacked by sets, but KK/QQ slows down on a A, and he may try a huge semibluff on the turn this way since he'll put you on a bluff usually but won't have enough showdown value to make taking a free card worth it. Thoughts on this line?

The river is pretty tough, but I agree with the previous poster that its closer to a fold since he doesn't know much about yourgame.

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i disagree with all of this except where you agreed with strassa

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unsubstantiated rumors about Boy: he is a scandi in the US doing his phd on game theory. and he crushes.

tough spot. folding the flop seems so nitty but vs him i guess its okay. hes going to make the hand super tough and i doubt we have much of a positive expectation.

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Lol, FOLDING THE FLOP?

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reraise flop...or fold turn

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typically smart players do not bluff in this spot very much because a flush missed and the river is an insanely "obvious" bluff card. Of course, if you are both on this page then its a game theory he knows I know he knows situation, so "obvious" spot becomes irrelevant. But if two players don't really know each other and have history, but both think the other is pretty good, I find it that most likely people are not pulling a move here often enough to justify looking them up.

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vvn post

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Lol, FOLDING THE FLOP?

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sry mdma [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] i was just thinking out loud about KoD's post. unless he was joking and then im a dummy.

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I like CRing these flops sometimes... just because he can't fold a [censored] thing that he VBs the flop with as he'll think you're full of [censored]..

As played... ack I think this is vvvvvvv close just because there are so many big combo draws that missed. The problem is that AXss is a good part of his range and I'm pretty sure he's decent enough to be VBing it.. comes down to what strassa talked about I guess..

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I ended up folding the hand, but looks many people found this hand to be interesting/ and contributed to the discussion, thanks everyone.

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most people like the turn c/c?

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most people like the turn c/c?

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what else is there