Re: 25/50 HU vs unknown, river decision with Q high flush
 

wtfwtfwtf at flop check... you have the nuts, try to build the pot!

lol at chaoslord you have to mix it up. sure you can check behind with a straight flush sometimes too if you're worried about being read too easily.

Re: 25/50 HU vs unknown, river decision with Q high flush
 

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Seat 1: hazards21 ($8471 in chips)
Seat 6: hardkAre ($5000 in chips)
hardkAre: posts small blind $25
hazards21: posts big blind $50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hardkAre [3h Qh]
hardkAre: raises $100 to $150
hazards21: calls $100

*** FLOP *** [9h 3s 6h]

hazards21: checks
hardkAre: checks

*** TURN *** [9h 3s 6h] [3d]

hazards21: bets $200
hardkAre: raises $450 to $650
hazards21: calls $450

*** RIVER *** [9h 3s 6h 3d] [4h]

hazards21: bets $1050
hardkAre: Call, raise, fold?

Villain seems solid/tricky though.

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i have played hazards a bunch HU, and one of his distinguishing characteristics is his extremely high river agg. factor. I don't think he would pot as a bluff, so I doubt he's bluffing here (esp. after calling the turn raise OOP, then donk-potting river).

If you think he is value-betting enough worse hands (triples, lower flushes) then you can shove. Personally, I would 'just call' because it's not that often he will look you up with worse here (this depends on your image).

Re: 25/50 HU vs unknown, river decision with Q high flush
 

also given his line i think he is likely to look you up decently light on a raise (usually bet/calling turn and potting river isn't the strongest of lines) so i'd shove and expect lower flushes and 57 to look me up a decent amount.

Re: 25/50 HU vs unknown, river decision with Q high flush
 

Everyone

Chaoslord has explained the flopcheck.

I thought of folding briefly, but then I realized he'd probably play 8h9h or 5h4h the same way. I'm not sure he'd call turn with a bare FD though, unless it's K or A high, and I'm not sure this villain is stacking off with a 5/8 high flush on the river.

Stinger

Yes but villain probably doesn't know this. I hadn't played him for long when this hand came up. I don't think villain would lead with a 9 on the river for that amount.

Re: 25/50 HU vs unknown, river decision with Q high flush
 

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Everyone

Chaoslord has explained the flopcheck.



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yes but poorly. i agree sometimes you should check behind your flush draws to disguise your hand when you hit the flush.

and sometimes you should check behind sets to slowplay.

but this hand falls into neither category - it's not a bare flush draw, there's much more value in it and disguised outs should he happen to have a decent hand. and it isn't strong enough to "slowplay" like a set because you can't go nuts when you don't improve.

with those two things in mind, i'd be happy never checking this sort of hand in a heads up match. i don't think i'd actually be giving anything up.

Re: 25/50 HU vs unknown, river decision with Q high flush
 

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Everyone

Chaoslord has explained the flopcheck.



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yes but poorly. i agree sometimes you should check behind your flush draws to disguise your hand when you hit the flush.

and sometimes you should check behind sets to slowplay.

but this hand falls into neither category - it's not a bare flush draw, there's much more value in it and disguised outs should he happen to have a decent hand. and it isn't strong enough to "slowplay" like a set because you can't go nuts when you don't improve.

with those two things in mind, i'd be happy never checking this sort of hand in a heads up match. i don't think i'd actually be giving anything up.

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Exactly,
your hand is so strong on the flop, but also extremely vulnerable if you don't bet (you lose a lot of equity if he hits a pair on the turn, but with your combo draw on the flop you can always get it in here and never be a huge dog). And it's not as if by betting he puts you squarely on a combo draw.
Also as played just get it in here...

Re: 25/50 HU vs unknown, river decision with Q high flush
 

i'd flat the jack high flush and shove the q high flush

Re: 25/50 HU vs unknown, river decision with Q high flush
 

After betting the flop, do you bet again if a 2c falls on the turn or do you check behind and take your free card?

Re: 25/50 HU vs unknown, river decision with Q high flush
 

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And it's not as if by betting he puts you squarely on a combo draw.

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yea but he wont put you on it very much, which is more important

Re: 25/50 HU vs unknown, river decision with Q high flush
 

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i'd flat the jack high flush and shove the q high flush

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this is actually very mathematically sound...not sure if you did the math on this but Q-high flush is a fav. over a random flush, J-high is a dog.