Re: Khan\'s last hand
 

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I don't mind a large re-raise, but I do mind shoving in the dark.

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If you were his opponent in the hand, how would you interpret the dark shove?

Re: Khan\'s last hand
 

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I don't mind a large re-raise, but I do mind shoving in the dark.

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If you were his opponent in the hand, how would you interpret the dark shove?

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Hard to say. I've never had an opponent shove blind before against me. I'd probably think AK or some ace high hand. Maybe a mid pair.

But that doesn't matter much here. Yang doesn't think that way. He sees a hand, jams and literally prays for it to hold.

Re: Khan\'s last hand
 

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Hard to say. I've never had an opponent shove blind before against me. I'd probably think AK or some ace high hand. Maybe a mid pair.

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I agree completely with this assessment. It just feels like AK, AQ, or something 99 or worse. It just doesn't seem like someone would play a premium pair this way. Not sure what I'm basing that on, but it seems like the case.



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But that doesn't matter much here. Yang doesn't think that way. He sees a hand, jams and literally prays for it to hold.

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I agree that overthinking wasn't going to do Khan any good against Yang. This is for a few reasons:

1) Yang had $60+ million chips.
2) Yang showed he was willing to make big calls with much less than the nuts.
3) Yang happened to have a huge hand that he wasn't folding.

Re: Khan\'s last hand
 

Khan was doomed on that hand no matter what, unless he just decided to fold it. It's a guarantee that Yang was calling him preflop. Now, if Kahn had just called preflop and left himself a decent amount of chips, he MAY have been able to push Yang off the jacks with a shove on the flop. Even then I don't see Yang folding those jacks there. Khan played it poorly, but he was doomed no matter what.

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Yang was capable of a big laydown. He laid down QQ preflop with rahme and someone else all in in fronty of him. he was wrong

Re: Khan\'s last hand
 

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Yang was capable of a big laydown. He laid down QQ preflop with rahme and someone else all in in fronty of him. he was wrong

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I found it funny that the one time he lays down a power hand, it's when he was wrong.
Of course, pocket queens can diminish when you have two people pushing in front of you.

Re: Khan\'s last hand
 

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I don't mind a large re-raise, but I do mind shoving in the dark.

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If you were his opponent in the hand, how would you interpret the dark shove?

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Hard to say. I've never had an opponent shove blind before against me. I'd probably think AK or some ace high hand. Maybe a mid pair.

But that doesn't matter much here. Yang doesn't think that way. He sees a hand, jams and literally prays for it to hold.

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wow.. before i came to this site .. i never knew anyone could watch someone play poker on television, and "know what he's thinking". that you know how Jerry Yang thinks is impressive.

i'll make sure to watch for any future post you may make. maybe you know how some other people think too!

Re: Khan\'s last hand
 

The dark shove cost Khan FE there's no question.

I remember watching it live and talking to a great MTTer.
Me: That dark push sucks.
Him: WTF are you talking about, he obv has a MONSTER and doesn't want Yang to fold on a bad flop.
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Re: Khan\'s last hand
 

"Jerry Yang is opening for so much pre-flop and there were so much dead money in the blinds and antes. If I move in there I'm adding like 30% to my stack if he folds. I wanted to remain the same temperament pre-flop and didn't want to move all-in on the flop and him get a tell and make a call and feel bad about it. I wanted to end it right there, I wanted to gain the proper equity possible. Because if he's calling with Jacks he understands he's ahead of me, so I might as well get it all in pre-flop to maintain my 48% [46%] underdog [status]. But with the dead money in the pot it's a winning play I think."
- Khan.

Not sure I agree with all of that but it was a certainly a tough spot.

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Re: Khan\'s last hand
 

The only questionable play was Yang not reraising all in right there preflop.


I liked Khan's play here. Everyone is talking about how aggressive Yang is playing. I'd be looking for any top 10 hand to go all in with against the chip leader. Khan could have pushed but by raising and leaving a little behind maybe you increase your fold equity by a small margin, so why not. The only odd play was Yang's call, not reraise.