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cgrohman 10-12-2007 10:53 AM

Re: Big pot, on turn, don\'t know how many outs I have
 
It is a cold call for me if I am in late position and other people have cold called in between. This is one fof those situations where if I think I am ahead, I want to get it heads up in position. If I think I am behind, I just fold it.

ssmallz 10-12-2007 11:58 AM

Re: Big pot, on turn, don\'t know how many outs I have
 
3 bet this pf, I really don't like calling here b/c even though your hand plays well multiway, there's no guarantee others will cold call behind you. On top of that take control of the pot so you can force UTG+1 to take the pot away from you w/a better hand or ballsy bluff.

Flop: Standard, could raise the turn, either way is fine

Turn: I can't see doing anything else here but calling. You can't eliminate anyone and you don't have the best hand often enough to 4 bet. How many outs do you have? At least 7

NinaWilliams 10-12-2007 01:02 PM

Re: Big pot, on turn, don\'t know how many outs I have
 
preflop is perfect, AQs is way too strong to fold, but our equity isnt enough to 3 bet. The hand plays well multiway which helps make up for domination issues. The best way to achieve a multiway pot is cold calling. Id fold AQo though. On the turn, you probably have 8-9 outs but I havent accounted for the probability of a chop. A better set should be jamming the flop and lol@ 80 year old guy 3 betting AA here. I put him squarely on AKh. MP could have a lot of worse flushes or even something like QJ with Jh

ackid 10-12-2007 02:41 PM

Re: Big pot, on turn, don\'t know how many outs I have
 
fold preflop.

as played just call turn raise.

Re-evauluate on river.

dcb777 10-13-2007 03:19 AM

Re: Big pot, on turn, don\'t know how many outs I have
 
I would fold preflop, what do you expect his range to be here?

NinaWilliams 10-13-2007 04:21 AM

Re: Big pot, on turn, don\'t know how many outs I have
 
[ QUOTE ]
I would fold preflop, what do you expect his range to be here?

[/ QUOTE ]

Its not just about his range, which I think that i'm behind its this [ QUOTE ]
Loose game (5-6 to flop on average)

[/ QUOTE ] that makes me want to call.

ProfessorBen 10-13-2007 04:41 AM

Re: Big pot, on turn, don\'t know how many outs I have
 
Even if villain's range is JJ+, AK, preflop is correct because of the players to act behind you. Villain would have to be raising only AA in this spot for me to fold.


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