Re: KK vs fish, ~190bb deep
 

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lol? it isnt going to be much fun when he shoves now is it? im assuming by easy to play you mean its an easy fold if you 3bet and he shoves.


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No. I meant call a shove. We still have around 35% equity against his shoving range.

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What do you think his shoving range is?

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yeah. its difficult to say, but its probably A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (and he prob doesnt shove A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] every time) and any flush or set.

Re: KK vs fish, ~190bb deep
 

I'm not sure, I really doubt a 50/10/.84 4bet shoves a flush draw. Tbh I don't think he'd even raise it, but I wasn't at the table [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: KK vs fish, ~190bb deep
 

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lol? it isnt going to be much fun when he shoves now is it? im assuming by easy to play you mean its an easy fold if you 3bet and he shoves.


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No. I meant call a shove. We still have around 35% equity against his shoving range.

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What do you think his shoving range is?

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Sets, 2pr and a whole bunch of flushes too numerous to list. Throw in the occasional QQs, JJs and AsX too.

Re: KK vs fish, ~190bb deep
 

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Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (SB): $187.45
BB: $199.85
UTG: $27.80
MP: $100.90
CO: $101.25
BTN: $100

Pre-Flop: Khttp://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
4 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.50</font>, BB calls $2.50

Flop: ($7) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $7</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $28</font>

Villain is a 50/10/.84 over enough of a sample to know he's a fish. Whats my plan here? If I call, how do I play a blank turn vs a spade turn?

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Raising 4x in this spot where the stacks are this deep is not an attempt to get it in with the nut FD like it is when your stacks are 100bb. He's protecting his set. Easy call.

On the turn when the flush hits check and he'll check behind then bet river. If he's a super-passive fish though and he bets big again I'd assume he flopped the nut flush and fold.

Re: KK vs fish, ~190bb deep
 

I'm pretty sure a guy with these stats will just call a 3-bet with the naked A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] so I'm pretty sure we're toast or close to it against a 4-bet shove.

Re: KK vs fish, ~190bb deep
 

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I'm pretty sure a guy with these stats will just call a 3-bet with the naked A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] so I'm pretty sure we're toast or close to it against a 4-bet shove.

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That doesn't make a 3bet wrong. If anything, that would be a case for a 3bet.

Re: KK vs fish, ~190bb deep
 

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I'm pretty sure a guy with these stats will just call a 3-bet with the naked A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] so I'm pretty sure we're toast or close to it against a 4-bet shove.

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That doesn't make a 3bet wrong. If anything, that would be a case for a 3bet.

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the problem is, if we 3-bet and he shoves we are potentially priced in to call, but without knowing villains ranges its a very tough spot.

Re: KK vs fish, ~190bb deep
 

I kinda fail to see how a person with those stats raises pot, even if he just wants to raise.

It is a big raise. Even when they raise, passive players raise less imo... Never had someone pot size raise me with these stats in my life tbh [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Could that be a betting tell?

Re: KK vs fish, ~190bb deep
 

To be honest, I don't hate a fold. I probably call, but I'm trying to keep the pot small.

Re: KK vs fish, ~190bb deep
 

ok say i call and the turn is the 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. i check and he pots for about 63. easy fold at this point?