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CruS 10-02-2007 10:10 PM

Re: Most +EV ? AKs preflop
 
I definitely raise here, just wondered how much and if a shove is an option

n4rf 10-02-2007 10:11 PM

Re: Most +EV ? AKs preflop
 
Definitely a raise, and a pretty nice sized one since you will be playing OOP against CO if he calls.

I would call a shove by either player. People usually aren't that stupid to call with AA or KK and only *hope* that someone reraises. I easily think you have the best hand here and at worst you'd be against a lower PP.

Lego05 10-02-2007 10:11 PM

Re: Most +EV ? AKs preflop
 
Raise of course....like $16.


Call a shove from SB.
Probably call a shove from CO.

Jw513 10-02-2007 10:36 PM

Re: Most +EV ? AKs preflop
 
I don't get why everyone is saying to call a shove from CO. If CO is going to put 200bb in preflop, he def cant be putting it in with AQ or less. And if hes got JJ/QQ, we flip for 2 buyins, and dominated by KK/AA. Someone said that theres no way he has AA/KK, but I think there's a hugeeeee possibility that he can, if hes gonna shove preflop.

We def have to raise it up here. I think raising to $10 is the same as $14+ which other ppl are saying. A raise to $10 would be the same and we save a few dollars and less committ ourselves in case CO shoves and we have to muck.

So after we 3bet, I don't understand why we want to call a shove/4bet (unless its a minraise) from the CO?
I myself, do not know how to play AK properly, but is this normal for ppl to be getting it all in for 100bb+ with AK?

Numfar 10-02-2007 11:57 PM

Re: Most +EV ? AKs preflop
 
A 200BB shove from a 16/8 is really bad news - don't call that with AK.

Having said that, I doubt if he's trapping so as others have said, raise & call a push from SB. Fold to a push from CO.

You're No Daisy 10-03-2007 12:25 AM

Re: Most +EV ? AKs preflop
 
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and calls if CO shoves?

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I would lay the hand down CO shoves. Why he wouldn't re-raise preflop to begin with if he had AA-KK is a mystery to me. I would pop the callers to about $13-15. Don't make seeing the flop cheap.

AC

wslee00 10-03-2007 01:20 AM

Re: Most +EV ? AKs preflop
 
i *highly* doubt CO will shove - basically i'm saying you're discussing a situation that will happen once a year in your poker life, so it's not worth discussing, imo.

That said, definitely 3-bet pf - you'll take it down the majority of the time and if called, you have a pretty damn good hand to play with.


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