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Preflop: I'm not sure if I 3bet or fold here this early in the session. The read on the raiser suggests he's frisky, though, so I lean 3bet.

Flop: I'm tempted to bet here to fold PPs and A-J on the turn.

Turn: If I bet the flop, seems like I should bet the turn to induce folds.

River: Given the turn check-through, I probably check river. Seems like most losing hands are folding, and we chop w /A-J.

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I think the pf raise is ok, really depends on his range. If this is 6-max, the ranges of many are wide enough to 3-bet here. We can get away with even slightly less than 50% equity against UTG's range in these situations because of our position and for the many times that there will be dead money in the pot.

UTG checking the flop is very strange. I would usually think that he is trying to be cute with a set or else he has an under-pair to the board. I could go either way here but the pot is large enough to try and win it and if we get c/r we have outs.

I check the turn also.

I check behind on the river

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Was this a B and M or online? In a full B and M game Im folding PF here. 6 handed I think it is def read dependent. I think I would still find a better spot to put 3 bets in. The flop and turn are standard for me. Im checking the river. No hand will call that doesn't beat you and any hand that does beat you likely will call.

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I've been thinking about this hand all evening. I think part of why I'm having trouble with it is because it is 6max, which I never play and which I never read about.

The preflop raise/cap followed by flop check is a strange line. In full ring, it almost always means he caught a huge piece of the flop. I do know that 6max features more preflop raising, and I imagine that preflop aggressors therefore relinquish the initiative more often than they do in full ring. What I don't know is what 6maxers would do with a hand like TT here.

The very small read you have on him would seem to suggest that if he whiffed this flop, he'd be a little more likely to bet it. But the sample size is one hand, and even that is a fairly different situation. So I think we can basically ignore the read.

I keep going back and forth on the flop bet. It's hard to argue you with it because it got you to the river for one SB, which is clearly worth the investment in a pot this size. On the other hand, how often can you expect that to happen?

Betting this flop if he has a monster like KK or QQ is one of those mistakes that compounds itself, because if he does checkraise you on the flop, the pot is big enough that you have to call the check raise, and often the turn bet, too.

I have some thoughts about the turn and river, but before I proceed, I'm interested if some of the posters with more 6max experience can chime in on what is typical for villain's range here and what he might do with those hands on the flop.

-McGee

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6handed.

first orbit, maybe second. BB seems sort of loose and passive. UTG raised earlier with AJo and bet it UI the whole way. lost to A6o that flopped a 6. that's all i know(it was BB in that hand that he lost to).

anyway, UTG raises, i 3bet A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in the CO(comments?), folds to BB who calls, UTG caps, we call.

So far so good.

Flop(12.5sb): K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

BB checks, UTG checks, i bet(comments?), BB calls, UTG calls.

Bet is good, info.

Turn(7.75bb): 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

check, check, i check(comments?).

Bet, give them a reason to fold.

River(7.75bb): A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

check, check, and it's on me...

I check this back, flush is killing me, take the free showdown, check a strong hand, bet a weak hand.

what about how i've played the hand to this point?
You played this too weak shorthanded,

why are we doing what on the river?
Your chasing this to the river because of weak post flop play. Your turn check sealed your fate. They know you have nothing.


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I've been thinking about this hand all evening. I think part of why I'm having trouble with it is because it is 6max, which I never play and which I never read about.



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I thought about this hand for a total of two seconds. Here's the thoughts that entered my mind in this time frame: Fold preflop. Check River. Turn is an obvious check. Flop is close between checking and betting.

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No way I fold this preflop, the preflop play was the best street he played. No way I only think about this 2 seconds.

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No way I fold this preflop, the preflop play was the best street he played. No way I only think about this 2 seconds.

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I was actually being modest/conservative. I may've thought about this hand for less than 2 seconds.

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utg seems like he could easily be a tard based on 3-barreling the near nut no pair. 3-bet preflop is absolutely standard imo. when he CAPCHECKS the flop you should LOL at him and check behind. use the whole time bank. you are checking the river because you won't be called enough by worse hands and better hands will not fold.

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I thought about this hand for a total of two seconds. Here's the thoughts that entered my mind in this time frame: Fold preflop. Check River. Turn is an obvious check. Flop is close between checking and betting.

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hehe. i must be slow cause it took me 20 seconds to realize i agree 100% with this line. I think the flop is much close to a check then a bet imho

Brian