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BanZaY 09-27-2007 04:27 PM

Re: QQ in 3bet pot HU
 
4-bet pf or lead the flop.

Actually he can have 99+, AQ, AK, indeed AJs.
Check that flop is terrible because you lost a lot of information...now the pot is bigger and you dont know what to do.
After the check...the best is call and CRAI the turn.

AmonRaa 09-27-2007 04:28 PM

Re: QQ in 3bet pot HU
 
Is AK really 2 barreling the way action went?

Casper05 09-27-2007 04:36 PM

Re: QQ in 3bet pot HU
 
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4-bet pf or lead the flop.


[/ QUOTE ]This advice is really really bad.[ QUOTE ]
Check that flop is terrible because you lost a lot of information...now the pot is bigger and you dont know what to do.

[/ QUOTE ]The only thing right about this part of your post is that the pot is bigger.

DonkeyKing 09-27-2007 07:55 PM

Re: QQ in 3bet pot HU
 
I concurring with shoving and with the statement you don't want to see TT+ t/r. Shoving is safer and you would get the call vs w/ JJ/TT on this board.

BanZaY 09-28-2007 01:50 AM

Re: QQ in 3bet pot HU
 
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4-bet pf or lead the flop.


[/ QUOTE ]This advice is really really bad.

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ok. Why?.

flyerr 09-28-2007 09:49 AM

Re: QQ in 3bet pot HU
 
Why would lead the flop be a bad option? I would probably lead a 9high flop in a 3bet pot. Assuming his 3betting range is TT+ ,AKo,AKs, you will gain information here leading the flop.
If he pushes you have a decision to make but by checking you let him fire a barrel with some hands you beat like TT or AK and if you raise then you're commited...

ValarMorghulis 09-28-2007 11:36 AM

Re: QQ in 3bet pot HU
 
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Why would lead the flop be a bad option?

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you answer your own question.

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I would probably lead a 9high flop in a 3bet pot. Assuming his 3betting range is TT+ ,AKo,AKs, you will gain information here leading the flop.

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What information do you get by leading the flop?

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If he pushes you have a decision to make

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So if you still have a decision to make, then you haven't got any useful information, have you? He could still have JJ couldn't he? So you have no useful information.

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but by checking you let him fire a barrel with some hands you beat like TT or AK

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and this is a bad thing, how? You realise you want him to put money into the pot when he has a worse hand. You don't want to make a play that gets him to fold all his worse hands and call you with all his better hands.

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and if you raise then you're commited...

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which is good, because we want to be AI, we have a monster.

blah-blah-blah 09-28-2007 11:46 AM

Re: QQ in 3bet pot HU
 
4-bet/call pre-flop. as played c/shove the flop. force him to make a good fold w/ TT/JJ before a scare card hits.

cjp010 09-28-2007 03:30 PM

Re: QQ in 3bet pot HU
 
If hes pretty aggressive heads up I have no idea why you didnt 4-bet PF, definitely launch on flop though.


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