Re: What is the most -EV hand in limit hold\'em?
 

I don't know about the worst... but I think the most over-rated is 45,56,67 suited

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why do i lose so much with 22 (decent winner with 33, for example)?

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because it is easier to hit a set of 3s, obv. :crazy [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

Re: What is the most -EV hand in limit hold\'em?
 

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I don't know about the worst... but I think the most over-rated is 45,56,67 suited

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It's 34s. Must. Learn. To. Muck. Preflop. For. One. Bet. On. Button. Damn.

Re: What is the most -EV hand in limit hold\'em?
 

if voluntarily putting money in the pot with any hand yields worse than the alternative (folding, as you would a 'bad' hand) then it's preferable to do that. so why would a better hand ever be a bigger loser than a worse hand?

because a) you dont play particularly well, b) insufficient or possibly - metagame considerations, though they should have a near negligable impact.

sufficient sampling is a lot more than a few hundred k hands for winrates to converge on specific hole card combinations.

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This one is for the people with huge PT databases, hundreds of thousands of hands. I'm looking for a consensus on what hands people lose the most bets with. Seven deuce is the worst hand but obviously it doesn't lose the most money because people almost always fold it. I'm looking for the hand (or possibly group of hands) that consistently cost people the most money in limit hold'em. Anything that people with large PT databases are kind enough to share would be greatly appreciated.

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This differs for each player. I looked at this recently. For me it was 22. It shouldn't be. It means I've played this hand in places I should not have. The worst ev hand for most people will not be something you consider to be complete garbage as most will fold it almost every time. It is more likely some marginal hand that you are playing incorrectly.

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For me it is AAo by far.