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i fold the turn. dont think its really close.

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i fold the turn. dont think its really close.

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Daniel,

I think you should show us the math on whether or not calling the turn is correct.

Buzz

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"It's better to remain silent, and be thought a fool - than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"

I am not going to attempt to figure out the exact math here. I will get it wrong. With that said - if a set would win it for me or if my straight draw was definitely live, than I would have 10 outs to those hands, only 7 of which would be clean, right? So I guess I would say the pot would have to be giving me about 6.5-1 to draw?

But there is a lot more than that involved in this hand, and the math gets too complex for me here.

Bottom line is, it is pretty clear that I am behind, the pot is not enormous, and I am not even sure if I have ANY outs.

So I can't pass your math test, but I am pretty sure I made the right fold here.

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@ OP

The interesting spot in this hand is not whether or not you should fold the turn. Thats a pretty easy fold.

However, I think flop play should be discussed.

This looks like a spot where you cant really protect your hand in a huge pot on the flop. I think it should be considered to call the flop and then raise a safe turn. You will be facing the 3 players behind you with much worse odds compared to raising the flop.

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Daniel,

I think you should show us the math on whether or not calling the turn is correct.

Buzz

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"It's better to remain silent, and be thought a fool - than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"

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It's too late for that since you've already opened your mouth. So the question is not whether you will be thought a fool, but whether you will choose to remain one.

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Daniel,

I think you should show us the math on whether or not calling the turn is correct.

Buzz

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"It's better to remain silent, and be thought a fool - than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"

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It's too late for that since you've already opened your mouth. So the question is not whether you will be thought a fool, but whether you will choose to remain one.

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Yes, I use that quote, and then speak anyway. Silly me. Was my response that foolish? I pretty much just admitted that the math was beyond me. And if I am a fool, then doesn't the fact that I am thinking about hands and posting for advice, already show that I am trying to not remain one?

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Daniel,

I think you should show us the math on whether or not calling the turn is correct.

Buzz

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"It's better to remain silent, and be thought a fool - than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"

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It's too late for that since you've already opened your mouth. So the question is not whether you will be thought a fool, but whether you will choose to remain one.

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Yes, I use that quote, and then speak anyway. Silly me. Was my response that foolish? I pretty much just admitted that the math was beyond me. And if I am a fool, then doesn't the fact that I am thinking about hands and posting for advice, already show that I am trying to not remain one?

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I am not going to attempt to figure out the exact math here. I will get it wrong.

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Here you are remaining a fool. "I won't try because I'll get it wrong."

There is much to gain from struggling with the math, even if you're not mathematically inclined (just ask any of the posters who Wookie has challenged to work out the math).

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I am not going to attempt to figure out the exact math here. I will get it wrong.

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Here you are remaining a fool. "I won't try because I'll get it wrong."

There is much to gain from struggling with the math, even if you're not mathematically inclined (just ask any of the posters who Wookie has challenged to work out the math).

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Yes, perhaps that was a dumb comment. But following that comment, I did make the attempt to work out what odds I could. But I do not know how to factor in the elements like the possible flush draw or made flushes here. If I were drawing to a definite winning hand, I could work out the math. But I knew that I was unaware of how the other factors in this hand affected my odds needed to draw.

I am willing to hear from someone who will show me how the flush factor or already made straight, affects my odds needed for a call here.

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PLZ POST RESULTS

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If I were drawing to a definite winning hand, I could work out the math.

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Ok, start with this. Ignore the draws, and give us math!