Re: KQs on a scary Q high flop
 

i'm not so concerned with either calling the flop or raising the flop. unless you're expert at runner/runner boats or quads i HATE calling the flop when it's two cold back to us.

Re: KQs on a scary Q high flop
 

My gut feeling on the flop was that MP1 and MP2 did not have a made flush. I thought they probably had a single club, and probably not a big one. There were other players at the table that I would have folded to a raise. At the time I thought that if MP1 or MP2 had the made flush, they would wait for the turn. In retrospect this may not have been true if one of them had a small made flush and they were trying to get people with one bigger club to fold.

My thinking was that 60% of the time there would be no 4th club. If nobody already had the made flush and there is not another club, my hand should be good half the time or so.
Still I felt stupid calling the flop cap, the turn and river bets, because the pot was big and I couldn’t believe that MP2 really had the flush. I just couldn’t bring myself to fold as long as the fourth club did not come.

In any event at show down, MP2 had QT, with the T of clubs. MP1 had Q8 (not sure if the 8 was a club). To my complete surprise, my K kicker won the pot.

I’m sure that everyone else is probably right. I should have folded on the flop. I just got lucky.

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I’m sure that everyone else is probably right. I should have folded on the flop. I just got lucky.

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all we really have to go on is the information provided. you had a level of information at your disposal that had we been aware of, could have very likely led to calling the flop. if i called that flop, and no club came off i'm sure as hell raising the turn. i think we are 3bet by a worse hand never, but i guess the same info that could lead to your calling the flop cap might put is in a situation of calling down a 3bet which blows.

still, the risk given our hand and the pot size is likely worth it. it's just higher EV if we could fold to a 3bet.

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still, the risk given our hand and the pot size is likely worth it. it's just higher EV if we could fold to a 3bet.


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In these Friday night live games many of the players are really bad and just looking to have a good time and gamble a little. I find it hard to trust their betting to really mean what it should mean. I am reluctant to raise, because I’m never sure I’m not up against someone that could bluff 3-bet the turn on a scary board like this. I prefer to just call them down to discourage them from taking shots at me. Of course bad players get good cards too, so they frequently have the goods.