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But over the course of 1000's of mtt's everyone has the same amount of luck and you'll easily be able to tell who the better players are.

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it is kind of sick. the one MTT i ever won was actually one of the most badly i've played a tournament, and i luckboxed quite a few times. played better than most but certainly didn't deserve even a final table.

since then (the past 6 months) i pretty much play awesome over and over again and the effing two outers and gutshots fall like rain, and i honestly couldn't tell you the last time i won a critical coinflip. it's a bit discouraging

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But over the course of 1000's of mtt's everyone has the same amount of luck and you'll easily be able to tell who the luckiest players are.

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the people that are winning is just a volume issue. yes everyone gets lucky as anyone else through thousands of tournaments but they will have stretches where they are running hotter. runnig hotter = winning your 30/70s with [censored] like AQ>QQ. it's just all situations where whoevers runnig hotter = winner. and doing [censored] like like racing when you're the big stack. you got AK with 16 players left and no matter who open raises, when it's only like 30% half your stack, it's a standard all in no matter who you are. it's just a bunch of all in pres.

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Even the best players in the world require luck to do well in MTTs.

Harrington vs Helmuth (2003?). Harrington was all-in preflop with JJ and Helmuth has QQ. Harrington rivers a J and goes on to make the final table.

But as someone said, if you play a lot of MTTs the luck factor evens out and the best players will place higher more consistently.

However, due to the payout structure, even the best MTTs have to make multiple final tables to match a luckboxes one-time win (see also Jamie Gold)

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In order to win MTTs you have to constantly be making people make tough decisions. You want them to sweat a call and sweat even harder if they do decide to call you.

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In order to win MTTs you have to constantly be making people make tough decisions. You want them to sweat a call and sweat even harder if they do decide to call you.

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this answer is incorrect, since its a tourney its usually all in and pray, who sweats there?

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Only one person wins.

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here is the secret:

The way to win MTT's has nothing to do with running good. It has everything to do with not getting unlucky.

I've only recently started to show a profit at MTT's and when I win, its often without 'sucking out' on anyone, ever. Its just because the best hand stood up when I needed it to.

Now, snatch the pebble from my hand.

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Harrington vs Helmuth (2003?). Harrington was all-in preflop with JJ and Helmuth has QQ. Harrington rivers a J and goes on to make the final table.

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That was Jason Lester.

And yes, MTTs are all luck.