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Unknown Soldier 09-20-2007 01:16 AM

Re: flop TP + FD from the sb, lots of action on flop...
 
depends if btn will felt with a draw. if he wont call, if he will raise.

yad 09-20-2007 01:44 AM

Re: flop TP + FD from the sb, lots of action on flop...
 
raising looks extremely strong in this spot, as there are only a couple combo draws you can reasonably have. Button also doesn't often have a hand that can stand a raise from you here, given preflop.

wdead 09-20-2007 02:01 AM

Re: flop TP + FD from the sb, lots of action on flop...
 
Just call, why would you wanna 4b and blow someone off of a draw/ run into a huge hand? You certainly wont fold a better hand, maybe they will call with a big draw though...

JackAll 09-20-2007 02:02 AM

Re: flop TP + FD from the sb, lots of action on flop...
 
I hate calling. If we hit a flush we might not get paid off and also we want AQ out of there. We are likely ahead of buttons range. I just shove it in now.

I don't like calling and jamming either. It looks more bluffy and AQ will be more likely to call.

Fat Nicky 09-20-2007 02:12 AM

Re: flop TP + FD from the sb, lots of action on flop...
 
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Just call, why would you wanna 4b and blow someone off of a draw/ run into a huge hand? You certainly wont fold a better hand, maybe they will call with a big draw though...

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fwiw, and i probably should have mentioned this in my OP, I am pretty sure the button could show up here w/a draw.

dchz 09-20-2007 04:08 PM

Re: flop TP + FD from the sb, lots of action on flop...
 
I think i would raise this,

the pot is decent, and given your analysis (to which i agree)
button doesn't have that strong of a hand equity wise vs us.

Hoever, the problem with just calling OOP IMO is not getting any value when the flush hits, because it will be painfully obvious and kill your action

i vote shove

i do expect a set from button a certain % of the time, but id doesn't have to the too high to make the shove +EV


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