Re: Live 10/20, surprising river check/raise
 

I dunno...some of the best bluffs I make are on the river countering obvious defensive/blocking bets...in fact those that play regularly with me have used that against me by leading weak with strong holdings on every river where I have position and ive had to tame it down a bit but for awhile it was INSANELY profitable and still is when a new player with a predictable style comes in the game.

That being said...if you have no other read I might lean towards folding...probably need more of a read here..or something physical to call.

Re: Live 10/20, surprising river check/raise
 

Thanks for the replies everyone.

My immediate reaction was the same thing DJ Sensei and some others have said - he's not really representing anything, so if I'm going to value bet, I probably have to call the raise. I called very quickly without much thought and got showed 44 for a boat.

In hindsight, while I still feel his line doesn't represent a big hand, there aren't a whole lot of hands he gets to the river with that he thinks "omg I have to bluff now." If he has a mid pair, he's calling or folding, not bluff raising. The vast majority of players in the game aren't tricky enough to bluff c/r the river, so I think I can safely fold this in the future.

Re: Live 10/20, surprising river check/raise
 

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dude dont check quick on the turn, thats giving up too much.

given that, i might call the river c/r, because he's not really representing anything except some sort of last-ditch effort bluff. does he expect you to bet the river most of the time, or is checkbehind normally your standard play in this spot with most of your range, including whiffed overs and weakish pairs?

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55, A2, 67

but i prolly call it.

Re: Live 10/20, surprising river check/raise
 

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I called very quickly without much thought and got showed 44 for a boat.

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if someone is able to check a set thrice good for them. i know i cant!

Re: Live 10/20, surprising river check/raise
 

anyone who thinks river isn't an auto-fold hasn't played the bellagio 10/20 game. or hasn't played live period. easy easy fold

Re: Live 10/20, surprising river check/raise
 

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anyone who thinks river isn't an auto-fold hasn't played the bellagio 10/20 game. or hasn't played live period. easy easy fold

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ive done both, and i dont agree, hardly an easy fold. it's probably a fold, but that normally doesnt stop me from calling anyway.

Re: Live 10/20, surprising river check/raise
 

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anyone who thinks river isn't an auto-fold hasn't played the bellagio 10/20 game. or hasn't played live period. easy easy fold

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Agree. I never ever call here.

Re: Live 10/20, surprising river check/raise
 

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anyone who thinks river isn't an auto-fold hasn't played the bellagio 10/20 game. or hasn't played live period. easy easy fold

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I play a ton live at right around these limits but only in Vegas 3-4 times a year for a week or so.

Im also not a huge fan of the Bellagio games at this limits(rough lineups) or the Bellagio as a whole really anymore.

I already said id lean towards folding without a strong read or tell...but I dont think this is an auto-fold without alot of experience playing the opponent.

Like I said I probably end up mucking it...like the vast majority of the time.

Is the 10-20 that predictable at the bellagio..\
(I ask because im going in 4 weeks and might take a shot in that game even though it isnt THAT live imho)

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Is the 10-20 that predictable at the bellagio..\

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I've only played there four times, but from what I've found there are A LOT of regulars that play tight, solid and very straightfoward. They will adjust depending on their opponent, but they aren't going to be pulling moves like river check/raise bluffs.

There are some aggressive players that can really play, but they're the minority.

Re: Live 10/20, surprising river check/raise
 

how is anybody advocating a call? basic handreading..?