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TNixon 09-11-2007 06:16 PM

Re: NL HU SNG 11$
 
I don't have pokertracker. (stupid, I know)

My sharkscope graph looks like complete ass right now though, and my confidence level is at a complete all-time low after dropping 3k in a week (following a very long build-up from $100 to $3500, including about $2k worth of cashouts and a *ton* of money trying to satellite in FT's WSOP bracelet race events, and another boatload satelliting into FTOPS events, and playing big MTT tourneys I had no business buying directly into, so it was really more like an 8k buildup primarily through HUSNGs), which is why I'm in the process of trying to put together a post that will likely be so long that nobody will want to read it, begging the forum to HALPMEH PLEASE by watching a video that will be so long nobody will want to watch, because once again, I can no longer afford my coach.

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For what it's worth, though, over those 1184 games, for about the first 750 I was just barely over break-even (superslow learner), and overall ended up with just over $600 profit and average ROI of 8%.

hra146 09-11-2007 06:21 PM

Re: NL HU SNG 11$
 
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I don't have pokertracker. (stupid, I know)

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change something about being stupid?

TNixon 09-11-2007 06:31 PM

Re: NL HU SNG 11$
 
Well, here are my thoughts about pokertracker:

Outside of analyzing your own stats (and I have a bunch of perl scripts to gather various bits of data from hand histories, so that if I wanted to see most of the things pokertracker could tell me about my own play, it would be very easy to gather and throw into excel), I'm not sure PT is really useful for analyzing your opponents in HUSNGs. If I played more HUCASH I would definitely buy it, and after coming to the conclusion that overall variance is actually likely to be lower at HUCASH than it is in HUSNGS, I probably will start playing more cash as soon as I figure out what the hell I've done to lose so badly and recover to a level where I have enough to buy-in at NL100 on a regular basis, but I'm not there yet.

Having said all that, if pokertracker could just automatically import (or at least try to deduce) tournament results for HUSNGs, I probably would have purchased it already. But since it doesn't, (and because I've played *WAAAAAYYY* too many HUSNGs to even consider manually entering who won each one), I've had to build up my own set of tools for figuring winrates and other things.

I also play regularly on two separate computers, which causes some potential problems with pokertracker databases. (problems that I have with my own tools, but that part of the problem is as simple as copying all the hand histories from one to the other. I don't even know what the solution is with pokertracker, since it keeps track of histories that it has processed by changing the filename, which is hopelessly stupid, IMO)

But since I do have my own tools, there doesn't seem to be a ton of value in it, even though it's only $50 or whatever. Combine that with the fact that PT would break all my tools by mucking around with the history files, and you can maybe substitute "stubborn" for "stupid".

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Another interesting bit. I realized that I didn't start playing turbos until I was in the range where I was playing $22 and higher, so all but 12 of those games are regulars, not turbos, so they'd be $2s, $5s, and $10s.

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Dima2000123 09-11-2007 07:08 PM

Re: NL HU SNG 11$
 
Whenever I play low stakes HU SnG's, I have to keep repeating to myself: "Beware of donks overbetting the river!" Almost every time I ignored this and called with a marginal hand, I regretted it immediately. Pick out the most obvious strong hand based on the board texture, and they have at least that. I don't think QJ is good here.

derosnec 09-11-2007 07:13 PM

Re: NL HU SNG 11$
 
easy fold. it's one thing if you were in position and it went check/bet for three streets and you are asking whether to bet the river.

but here he pushed the river. this is not how AK/AQ/KQ play this hand. all three are raising your flop bet for protection (AK pushes the flop because that's what they do on this flop or they fold, or call you down all the way). when he pushes the river, kiss any combo counting/equity analysis goodbye: he has you beat a huge % of the time. people don't bluff raise the river at the 11s and they don't push their Q for value on this board.

hra146 09-11-2007 07:51 PM

Re: NL HU SNG 11$
 
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easy fold. it's one thing if you were in position and it went check/bet for three streets and you are asking whether to bet the river.

but here he pushed the river. this is not how AK/AQ/KQ play this hand. all three are raising your flop bet for protection (AK pushes the flop because that's what they do on this flop or they fold, or call you down all the way). when he pushes the river, kiss any combo counting/equity analysis goodbye: he has you beat a huge % of the time. people don't bluff raise the river at the 11s and they don't push their Q for value on this board.

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thank you

TNixon 09-11-2007 08:48 PM

Re: NL HU SNG 11$
 
It is highly recommended that you give the opinion of somebody who recently dumped 85% of their bankroll a much smaller weight than the opinion of people who probably have not dumped 85% of their bankrolls.

In fact, I would recommend you ignore that other dumbass donk entirely. Even if he still somewhat disagrees that people will push with almost any queen there, especially given the weakness you showed on the turn, and believes that there are plenty of people out there who are more than happy to "slowplay" top pair, which makes it a marginally bad call instead of an absolutely horrid one.

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Revolvermann 09-12-2007 05:12 AM

Re: NL HU SNG 11$
 
ok guys thanks alot for the response

ChicagoRy 09-12-2007 05:24 AM

Re: NL HU SNG 11$
 
Damn, flame fest.

OP, bet more on the turn next time and either check call or bet bigger and call a shove. That way your pot odds are better and you probably get about as great of a % of bluffs.

Basically you turn this hand into slightly profitable at best to something you know is profitable.

Another option you have is to check the turn and check call the river. There aren't many scare cards to come and you'll probably be more profitable overall in that situation against more players at this level.

Schpacko 09-12-2007 07:31 AM

Re: NL HU SNG 11$
 
easy fold. I said it before and i will say it again: a huge all-in-river-bet in a <50$ HUSNG is ALMOST ALWAYS a monster. My bankroll would be so much bigger if i would just have folded to any bet like this.


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