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what range of hands do you think they are calling you with if you push right now?

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lets get some serious comments.

the prob is that a big raise will not make much more profit than a call because of the nature of the board. but raising inflates the pot and calling doesn't. so one question is, givin call and raise are equal in EV from a flop perspective, which one is best? Do we want a huge pot on the turn or a big pot on the turn?


I think I'm going with huge pot to shove a turn blank. People will call allin with FDs and KQ right?

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what range of hands do you think they are calling you with if you push right now?

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thats actually really interesting, I didn't even consider that option. Straight pushing is really the only way that all the money can go in on the flop and me still have a chance at being ahead.

I really like this; I can get called by KQ for sure, theres no reason to put anyone on anything strong, the pots pretty big so I don't mind just picking it up and not having to dodge every kicker and diamond and straightening card in the deck.

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well the downside is the button with 500 behind you that has given no indication of his hand strength. sucks losing 250bbs that way.

but if it wasn't for him, I would seriously consider pushing flop.

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the prob is that a big raise will not make much more profit than a call because of the nature of the board. but raising inflates the pot and calling doesn't. so one question is, givin call and raise are equal in EV from a flop perspective

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Im not sure what you mean by this - a raise could make more profit if two people called with draws, for example.

The cliche that keeps running through my head is "big pot big hand, small pot small hand" and I really think it sums up a lot of pot control situations very well. Yes, there are reasons to abandon pot control, but I cant decide if this is one of them.

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if scare cards come b/f 75 again, i havnt seen a lot of bluffing on scare cards

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betting 75 on the turn commits me to anyone but button, even if its heads up

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Pushing was my first thought as well. Would button have smooth called pre-flop with JJ-AA?

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lol his button vpip is like 60%. and he is nuts. so yeah, he can.

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lol his button vpip is like 60%. and he is nuts. so yeah, he can.

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Hmm. That sucks (at least in this spot).

Well, you can't call the donk bet because it allows all kinds of trash to catch and beat you on the turn. If a realistic (for this table) raise or a shove will get called by a worse hand then raise/shove. If you raise, obviously you are stacking off to anyone except button on most turns. Sucky spot.