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Dan Bitel 08-22-2007 12:37 PM

Re: NL 200. KK. Preflop openshove.. Instacall? 200 NL 6max
 
how is this gross? snap call ffs

Unknown Soldier 08-22-2007 12:42 PM

Re: NL 200. KK. Preflop openshove.. Instacall? 200 NL 6max
 
lol not gross at all

Ringmaster 08-22-2007 12:54 PM

Re: NL 200. KK. Preflop openshove.. Instacall? 200 NL 6max
 
lol snap call?

OP says he's seen him do this 5 times and he always shows up with aces. So were just going to ignore history and call because ZOMG we has KK?

Even if we assume he's doing this with QQ+, folding and calling are both about 0EV. Not exactly a fistpump.

dw2006 08-22-2007 12:55 PM

Re: NL 200. KK. Preflop openshove.. Instacall? 200 NL 6max
 
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lol not gross at all

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tubasteve 08-22-2007 01:16 PM

Re: NL 200. KK. Preflop openshove.. Instacall? 200 NL 6max
 
even if his range is QQ+ then folding costs you $2 in EV

scv 08-22-2007 01:24 PM

Re: NL 200. KK. Preflop openshove.. Instacall? 200 NL 6max
 
I would snapcall and wouldnt be surprised to see JJ or AK.

Ringmaster 08-22-2007 01:29 PM

Re: NL 200. KK. Preflop openshove.. Instacall? 200 NL 6max
 
If OP's read is accurate and we choose to ignore it, then calling costs us $162 in EV.

Ringmaster 08-22-2007 01:30 PM

Re: NL 200. KK. Preflop openshove.. Instacall? 200 NL 6max
 
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I would snapcall and wouldnt be surprised to see JJ or AK.

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He's done this 5 times, each time with AA, and you want to put JJ and AK in his range because...?

5thStreetHog 08-22-2007 02:12 PM

Re: NL 200. KK. Preflop openshove.. Instacall? 200 NL 6max
 
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I would snapcall and wouldnt be surprised to see JJ or AK.

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He's done this 5 times, each time with AA, and you want to put JJ and AK in his range because...?

[/ QUOTE ]The chances of him doing this only 5 times and getting called everytime so OP saw what he pushed with is slim to none to begin with.Im guessing OP saw him flip AA a few times in this situation,but if hes that bad why assume hed never make a similar bad play with another holding.Call!!!!!!!!

Ringmaster 08-22-2007 03:16 PM

Re: NL 200. KK. Preflop openshove.. Instacall? 200 NL 6max
 
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I would snapcall and wouldnt be surprised to see JJ or AK.

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He's done this 5 times, each time with AA, and you want to put JJ and AK in his range because...?

[/ QUOTE ]The chances of him doing this only 5 times and getting called everytime so OP saw what he pushed with is slim to none to begin with.Im guessing OP saw him flip AA a few times in this situation,but if hes that bad why assume hed never make a similar bad play with another holding.Call!!!!!!!!

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We don't need to see what he has every time. All we know is that, out of a sample of 5 times, he's had AA 5 times and other hands 0 times. If he's doing this with a range as wide as JJ+, AK the probability that he has AA when he open pushes is 6/40 = 15%. This means that the chances he happened to have AA all 5 times out of a sample of 5 is (.15)^5 = 0.000076.

Putting him on a range this wide given the evidence is unreasonable. At the very least, we need to weight his range heavily in favour of AA, which makes this a tough call.


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