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When you guys 4 bet, do you 4 bet all in or to a smaller amount? I generally 4 bet to a smaller amount, i.e. at 200NL if I raise to 7 and get reraised to 24, I will 4 ball it to 64. I believe this can make it look like you have AA/KK more and additionally will make villain either push or fold preflop. Because of this I only 4 bet a hand I either know I am felting or will fold quickly.

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When you guys 4 bet, do you 4 bet all in or to a smaller amount? I generally 4 bet to a smaller amount, i.e. at 200NL if I raise to 7 and get reraised to 24, I will 4 ball it to 64. I believe this can make it look like you have AA/KK more and additionally will make villain either push or fold preflop. Because of this I only 4 bet a hand I either know I am felting or will fold quickly.

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I believe 4beting and folding to a push is -EV in the long term.

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So then, assuming 100 BB stacks, for those of you who don't shove on their 4 bet, is it auto AI on the flop? It's what I do, but I don't know if it's good.

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Jay Cutler will break his leg against the Raiders

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Jay Cutler will break his leg against the Raiders

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Can the Raiders call themselves an NFL football team?

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When you guys 4 bet, do you 4 bet all in or to a smaller amount? I generally 4 bet to a smaller amount, i.e. at 200NL if I raise to 7 and get reraised to 24, I will 4 ball it to 64. I believe this can make it look like you have AA/KK more and additionally will make villain either push or fold preflop. Because of this I only 4 bet a hand I either know I am felting or will fold quickly.

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I believe 4beting and folding to a push is -EV in the long term.

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Because?

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Re: 4betting theory
 

Cutler is awful, lol. And umm, notice how different people do different things ? You said it in your OP. Figure out what works for -your- particular game. Jam is a very laggy player, others are very nitty. It has to be in tune with how you want to play, with what variance you want to deal with, and where you are in position

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I never 4bet bluff anymore. I always seem to get pushed on when i do. I 4bet KK,AA in pos or OOP if I'm feeling nitty and don't want to be tricky. I will 4bet AK,TT+,AQ call a shove OOP if villian is a chronic 3bettor.

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When you guys 4 bet, do you 4 bet all in or to a smaller amount? I generally 4 bet to a smaller amount, i.e. at 200NL if I raise to 7 and get reraised to 24, I will 4 ball it to 64. I believe this can make it look like you have AA/KK more and additionally will make villain either push or fold preflop. Because of this I only 4 bet a hand I either know I am felting or will fold quickly.

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I believe 4beting and folding to a push is -EV in the long term.

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basically just math.

100BB....

raise to 4BB

get 3bet to 12BB

4bet to 36BB

Get shoved on for 100BB.

What range do you fold 64BB into a 136BB pot?

You are getting over 2-1 on your money here. So you need ~35% equity against his/her range.

Of course there are always unique situations that may come up, but I think overall you cannot put a person on a tight enough range to fold any hand you were willing to 4bet when getting ~2-1 on your money preflop.