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Some9 08-15-2007 08:38 AM

Re: Tough spot w/Set multi way 200 BB deep
 
He is telling you he has the higher set. He called a flop bet and RERAISED a CHECKRAISE.

If you saw him mae funky moves shove, but if he was solid throughout the sample I might fold there.

Halstad 08-15-2007 08:44 AM

Re: Tough spot w/Set multi way 200 BB deep
 
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Set unlikely as UTG raised preflop.


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Why? aren't all 24/16s raising all pocket pairs utg?
I think this is a fold. I don't think he'd call BB's bet with an overpair, he want want some protection.

awjpoker 08-15-2007 08:53 AM

Re: Tough spot w/Set multi way 200 BB deep
 
I would think there is a good chanced he has AA/KK and with the money already in I go with it. I also agree he will have a higher set quite a bit of the time. Most other hands don't makes sense given stats and his position, maybe around 5% he has the suited Ace for the straight i guess.

If you assign hand ranges in Pokerstove then look at money in already you should be able to figure out if a shove is +EV, i am at work so can't do this right now.

If he has a set take a note and perhaps you could fold it next time but not the first time.

BigPoppa 08-15-2007 09:04 AM

Re: Tough spot w/Set multi way 200 BB deep
 
It looks to me like AA has decided to trap some dead money in the pot.

If he has an overpair, it's AA. KK/QQ would not flat call the flop bet, given that an Ace or a 4 on the Turn would be a disaster. AA really doesn't have any free cards to fear. So he decided to be tricky. Now that he's gotten a lot of money in the pot, he wants to take it down.

BTW: Donk bet this flop.

dragonystic 08-15-2007 09:08 AM

Re: Tough spot w/Set multi way 200 BB deep
 
against AA/KK, higher sets, and A4, you still hold 47% equity. If you take out KK, you have 38%. (which is an absurdly tight range.)

sooo, i think you have to just grit your teeth and get your money in.

Erudito 08-15-2007 11:27 AM

Re: Tough spot w/Set multi way 200 BB deep
 
Fold. You are not committed to the pot. You are way behind against a set of 33 or 55. Most likely villain has a set of 55.

nation 08-15-2007 11:33 AM

Re: Tough spot w/Set multi way 200 BB deep
 
i fold here. if he's a solid reg, at 24/16 he's not shoving aa kk here. that's absolutely retarded for him to do. yea he could be tilting but your read is that he's solid. 33 44 is definitely in his range, 46s is definitely debatable, but whatev, i think you're behind here almost always.

matt85 08-15-2007 11:45 AM

Re: Tough spot w/Set multi way 200 BB deep
 
I think here he either has A4s, 33, 44, 55, or a badly played AA.Nothing else makes sense. 46s is a tiny possibility I think given stats and action.

StarkNaked 08-15-2007 11:58 AM

Re: Tough spot w/Set multi way 200 BB deep
 
I find this situation to be especially common in live play. People make such random plays with anything from AA to 66, 53s, etc, so I never really know what to do in these spots. If As Erudito said, I'd typically fold 200BB deep...which may seem pretty nitty, but I feel he's right in that you don't really need to gamble.

Aschweinsteiger 08-15-2007 12:03 PM

Re: Tough spot w/Set multi way 200 BB deep
 
i go all in


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