Re: hero call with mid pair in 3 bet pot
 

Without a really good read this must be a easy fold. You are either drawing almost dead or just ahead by little.

Re: hero call with mid pair in 3 bet pot
 

I could see him do this with almost any pocket pair (some bluffs and some value bets obviously) and a lot of overcard draw combos. Not very helpful since I just named pretty much every hand he could have.

Anyway I would call this often. If I had any kind of read on him as being a good player or some history I might snap call. Nothing but datamined stats doesn't help me much. I think it's really close here and can't really decide what I'd do the first time without history.

Re: hero call with mid pair in 3 bet pot
 

i would fold

Re: hero call with mid pair in 3 bet pot
 

if someone is giving you so much action that you feel you want to call off your stack on the turn with a pair of 8s and 2 outs to improve, then maybe you don't need to be 3-betting him with 86s. i am not suggesting that i think 3-betting is necessarily wrong. but it shows an inconsistency in your thought process vs this guy.

Re: hero call with mid pair in 3 bet pot
 

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The fact that the turn paired makes it a fold.

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i disagree. if anything, the turn pairing makes this a call.

Re: hero call with mid pair in 3 bet pot
 

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The fact that the turn paired makes it a fold.

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i disagree. if anything, the turn pairing makes this a call.

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hmm no...

Re: hero call with mid pair in 3 bet pot
 

Why? Villain's hand range is smaller now

Re: hero call with mid pair in 3 bet pot
 

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Why? Villain's hand range is smaller now

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since when does a deuce pairing dramatically alter someone's range in a 3-bet pot?

Re: hero call with mid pair in 3 bet pot
 

i was thinking 22 is no longer a possibility, and now we have information in deciding if our opponent would play a fullhouse like this.

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i was thinking 22 is no longer a possibility, and now we have information in deciding if our opponent would play a fullhouse like this.

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how many people call 3-bets on the button with 22? it's a miniscule part of his range even if you know he calls any pocket pair preflop. and it went from 3 combos to 1, so it's not a dramatic change at all. what does matter is he went from max 5 outs if behind to max 2 outs