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Xhad 08-07-2007 05:33 PM

Re: Folding river when pot is big and i have to pay only 1BB
 
If you think you need better than a pair of A's or Q's postflop then you don't belong in the hand. My calling range here is basically pairs and AK.

CrMenace 08-07-2007 10:15 PM

Re: Folding river when pot is big and i have to pay only 1BB
 
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If you think you need better than a pair of A's or Q's postflop then you don't belong in the hand. My calling range here is basically pairs and AK.

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Sorry, I don't get it. Can you rephrase?

Aaron W. 08-07-2007 11:09 PM

Re: Folding river when pot is big and i have to pay only 1BB
 
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If you think you need better than a pair of A's or Q's postflop then you don't belong in the hand. My calling range here is basically pairs and AK.

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Sorry, I don't get it. Can you rephrase?

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Axx and Qxx aren't exactly good flops for hero because it often puts him in a RIO spot where he's calling down with likely the worst hand.

Hero should definitely check behind on this flop and a Q is the best card for him, even though it may not be good against KK/QQ.

Xylocain 08-07-2007 11:26 PM

Re: Folding river when pot is big and i have to pay only 1BB
 
Does anyone have an opinion on calling the cap with AQ? Without reads, 14:2 is a pretty simple fold to me against unknowns. A TAG capping from the SB has AA,KK,QQ (JJ, AK).

Flop is a check, everyting that pwned us pf is pwning us plus the unlikely KQ.

Turn: if they are still checking, I'm betting with the intention to fold to a raise, tho the A doesn't really change anyting.

River: SB has AT <<<<<< than 1 in 14 (and more likely never). The pot isnt even monstrous. If you want to see JJ you can call, its not a huge leak.

Xylocain 08-07-2007 11:27 PM

Re: Folding river when pot is big and i have to pay only 1BB
 
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Q is the best card for him, even though it may not be good against KK/QQ.

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Well, in a way... it is if he gets his money out of the site in time.

Christian_Peters 08-07-2007 11:33 PM

Re: Folding river when pot is big and i have to pay only 1BB
 
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Does anyone have an opinion on calling the cap with AQ? Without reads, 14:2 is a pretty simple fold to me against unknowns. A TAG capping from the SB has AA,KK,QQ (JJ, AK).

Flop is a check, everyting that pwned us pf is pwning us plus the unlikely KQ.

Turn: if they are still checking, I'm betting with the intention to fold to a raise, tho the A doesn't really change anyting.

River: SB has AT <<<<<< than 1 in 14 (and more likely never). The pot isnt even monstrous. If you want to see JJ you can call, its not a huge leak.

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Yeah, my opinion is the same as yours. Against TAGs, you pretty much fold AQo here.

Xhad 08-08-2007 02:48 AM

Re: Folding river when pot is big and i have to pay only 1BB
 
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If you think you need better than a pair of A's or Q's postflop then you don't belong in the hand. My calling range here is basically pairs and AK.

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Sorry, I don't get it. Can you rephrase?

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I'm saying up earlier in the thread some people had said "call and hope to flop 2 pair or better" or somesuch and I'm saying if you can't trust TPTK then AQ sucks. I raise/fold preflop in LHE maybe once a year but it's always in situations like this.

neurotiq 08-08-2007 04:27 AM

Re: Folding river when pot is big and i have to pay only 1BB
 
I think I would've folded this one preflop. With two other players 3betting and then capping, you're probably dominated and it's not too likely that you're going to win this hand.

On the flop, I think I would check. You have middle pair (top kicker), and a weak straight draw. You're losing to basically any hand that a TAG would cap against a raise and reraise in front of him/her.

On the turn, i think i'd check behind and try for a cheap showdown. you have a decently strong hand now, though i just can't fight the feeling that you're losing to just about anything in a TAG's preflop capping range with a raise and reraise in front of him/her. i think a check-raise isn't outside of the realm of possibility, so i want a cheap showdown.

as you played up to the river, i think i'd probably fold. you've shown a lot of aggression, and the tag seems to like his/her hand enough to keep pushing against you. checking behind on the turn, i think i'd probably call the river for a single bet.

CasinoR7 08-08-2007 04:38 AM

Re: Folding river when pot is big and i have to pay only 1BB
 
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I hate the flop bet. You get check/raised there like 90% of the time.

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In the 0,25/0,50 games people don't checkraise often.

Ulkis 08-08-2007 04:47 AM

Re: Folding river when pot is big and i have to pay only 1BB
 
there aren't that many check-raises in .5/1 either---everytime I c/r I feel I am playing fancy;-)


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