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loosbastard 07-23-2007 04:03 PM

Re: AK LAYDOWN? NL100
 
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I think this is pretty good. Board sucks.

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Austiger 07-23-2007 04:15 PM

Re: AK LAYDOWN? NL100
 
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I think this is pretty good. Board sucks.

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If you look back at your session and these are the pots where you lost the most money, you'll be in good shape.

Jamougha 07-23-2007 04:15 PM

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B/F is horrible here imo. People do stupid things in reraised pots.

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think about how it looks to him. I raise, this guy reraises, flop comes AJT and he bets. Do I want to make a move? MMm maybe not this time. it's just not a spot people make a ton of moves in IME.

luckbox666 07-23-2007 04:25 PM

Re: AK LAYDOWN? NL100
 
Your line is showing a lot of strength, and the villain's min raise is not ment to get you out. Fold it. When the 'board sucks,' you normally don't have the best of it vs. a raise.

DonkeyKing 07-23-2007 04:45 PM

Re: AK LAYDOWN? NL100
 
Jacks, Tens, would all follow this same line. Your hand is behind. 4 bet shoving TPTK is horrendous and -EV here. You expect AQ to be minraising here oop? Don't think so..

bilbo-san 07-23-2007 04:50 PM

Re: AK LAYDOWN? NL100
 
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B/F is horrible here imo. People do stupid things in reraised pots.

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think about how it looks to him. I raise, this guy reraises, flop comes AJT and he bets. Do I want to make a move? MMm maybe not this time. it's just not a spot people make a ton of moves in IME.

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Meh, I don't think this is true at 200NL and below. Villain's just don't think about ranges very well. It's usually ("I'll call and make a move at favorable flops. OOOOOH, look, a flush draw!"). I shove and would not at all be surprised to see a combo draw (or even a naked flush draw) here.

gimmetheloot 07-23-2007 05:47 PM

Re: AK LAYDOWN? NL100
 
i think its a fine fold.

Sportsrmylife 07-23-2007 10:26 PM

Re: AK LAYDOWN? NL100
 
I think that these are the spots where the big time winners in online poker evaluate this as being behind and fold. These types of hands come up alot of times over a week and can make a big difference in a bankroll. I was always told that the great ones can lay down big hands.

Nice play.

Hadji Slayer 07-23-2007 11:06 PM

Re: AK LAYDOWN? NL100
 
It is a tough spot, but you have to realize you put yourself in that spot.

First mistake. Preflop, why in the world would you over bet the flop when you are in the small blind. This by far the biggest mistake i see a lot of people in the small stakes make. You have to realize that in these small stakes you are short stacked and by over betting a 3 bet preflop will result in all your chips in the pot by the river.

You just have A high, its a drawing hand and you shouldnt mind if 2 or 3 ppl see the flop. I prefer to limp in the blinds and play it from there. but a reraise is by no means a bad choice just making 18 to go is.

if you raise make it 9 - 12. 18 is just insane.

then he min raises. a pure sign of weakness. what he is probably looking for is to take control of the hand and see the river card or check it down. but he can easily have AA (doubt it), KK,QQ, JJ, 1010, AK, AQ, AJ, A10, A 9, KQ, KJ, K10 of spades, or even the 98 of spades. all those hands you can make a valid point to min raising that flop.

Now we go off your image an play. Your hand range. AA, KK,QQ, JJ, maybe 1010, AK and AQ most likely. So right off the bat he knows that you dont have the nuts (KQ) so there is always a chance you will lay it down to a raise. if you call he will know that he is probably beat and he will get an extra card on the river to suck out.


If you would of played it properly. Call in the small blind. now the flop you bet 6$ and he raises you to 12, you pop it up to 30$ he pushes you have the worst hand and can easily fold. AND you saved yourself 10$, but you also gave your self full control of the hand and to take it down.

Or you could of check called the flop and pray for a spade so you can value bet like you hit the flush and get to see the outcome of the hand. once again, if he comes over the top on the turn or river, you are beat and you can lay it down.

Mike MacIntosh 07-23-2007 11:18 PM

Re: AK LAYDOWN? NL100
 
I like this fold. FWIW, when you simply add AQ into the mix we have 45% equity.

Board: As Tc Js
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 27.329% 26.54% 00.78% 4993 147.50 { AhKh }
Hand 1: 72.671% 71.89% 00.78% 13522 147.50 { JcJd, JcJh, JdJh, TdTh, TdTs, ThTs, AJs-ATs, 9s8s, AJo-ATo }


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