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So far a very good decission by the floor in my opinion, but now comes the hard part. Player A tells B: "you can fold, he has J-6" and one other player at the table confirms this.

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I think this is where the dealer can jump in and confirm the exposed hand in some way.

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The guy who confirmed J6 is the one player who I think deserves a serious KITN. He wasn't involved in the hand and him opening his yap is violating one-player-to-a-hand. If he intentionally lied (hard to know), he needs to at least be moved to a new table since it seems he's working with player A. But that's the only player I have terribly serious issues with.

Player A was table talking in a way that for some reason doesn't disturb me much. Not sure why--usually I'm more sensitive about this stuff than most of you guys but it sounds like in this case I'm in the minority thinking that's acceptable (if rather scummy) behaviour.

I'm not sure if I were a player at the table I coulda kept my mouth shut when a player not in the hand confirmed incorrectly what the two cards were. Not positive what I woulda done, but I think I likely would have told player B they're both lying. If player A doesn't like it, too bad. I would absolutely have stayed quiet with A alone saying "he had J6" but I don't think I could sit there and let two players gang up against player B.

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You don't have a problem with player A? He has quite an advantage here if he opens his mouth. If he hadn't actually seen his hand, I could let it slide, but this would look like an obvious angle.

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You don't have a problem with player A? He has quite an advantage here if he opens his mouth. If he hadn't actually seen his hand, I could let it slide, but this would look like an obvious angle.

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I don't like what player A is doing, but this is effectively at this point a heads-up match and there's never been any requirement that players be truthful at the table. If player A said "you can fold now, I have J6" would you be upset? I'm just not seeing "you can fold, he has J6" as much different. Yes, it's an angle in my book, but it's one of those acceptable if distasteful angles. NEVER believe what another player at the table says.

There's also the point that player B just needed to engage his brain a bit. Player B should have replied to A "if he really had J6, why don't you go ahead and muck now?" Player A is not telling B "he had J6" if A has a better hand. So clearly A is trying to sell to B that C has the best hand. Why would A do this if he can't win the pot, either? Just trying to screw C out of A's call? Not likely.

What throws a wrench in to B's ability to puzzle it out is another player throwing in the confirmation. Now he has to try to figure out why an uninvolved player would lie and since there is no obvious upside to it, I understand him pitching his cards in. He got cheated. Not so much by A lying to him, but by the uninvolved player confirming it.

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Player A was table talking in a way that for some reason doesn't disturb me much. Not sure why--usually I'm more sensitive about this stuff than most of you guys but it sounds like in this case I'm in the minority thinking that's acceptable (if rather scummy) behaviour.

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The floor here has ruled that the player isn't entitled to know what the cards are but the player opens his mouth and tells him (its irrelevant that it was incorrect) the player shouldn't have said anything.

If he was telling the truth this is also unacceptable because its unfair to the other player for him to lose a potential caller do to this players yapping. This was still a multi-way hand and this kind of table talk to influence the action is not permitted.

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If player A said "you can fold now, I have J6" would you be upset?

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absolutely, because if the third player had the winner this player just cost him a call.

I have no idea how you have come to the conclusion that "his is effectively at this point a heads-up match" this is a three way pot.

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Well alright. psandman has me convinced. Player A gets a KITN, too. I'm still much more upset with the player who confirmed the bogus info, but yeah, I've come around and agree player A was also wrong.

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wow player A just owned the table

I wouldn't have the balls to do that, but I think it's a pretty awesome play and not angleshooting

I think it'd be angleshooting if he told him his real hand though

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so it IS an angle for A to reveal what the correct cards were, basically telling C to call, therefore losing any claim A had on the pot...

but it's NOT an angle to tell him the 'incorrect' hand info, hoping that C will muck the best hand and A can then take the pot that would rightfully be C's...

are your parents first cousins?

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This whole story is really [censored] up, but if a floorman was still there then the players should get a stern warning at the very least if not an escort out the door.

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I'm not entirely sure I agree with the floor's decision here. I think that once a hand has been exposed, it needs to be shown to all players at the table if it is requested. I wouldn't have a big problem with killing player C's hand considering he was effectively only exposing his hand to just one other player in the hand. Still, this is usually not correct in a cash game. I think they should have let player A take his call back, kept the hand face up, and let action continue from there.

Once the floor made that decision and the action went down as it did, I think you have to push the pot to player A. If I was another player at the table who saw the J8, I definitely would have mentioned this when the two mentioned seeing J6. I'm surprised nobody did.