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BalugaWhale 07-19-2007 08:37 PM

Re: Can I rep anything legit if river airballs?
 
id check
theres 0 chance hes folding an A unless you commit your whole stack on the river, in which case there is a chance he is folding an A.
also, he could easily have much better than an A.

jlocdog 07-19-2007 11:31 PM

Re: Can I rep anything legit if river airballs?
 
Baluga,

You dont think a multitablin TAG can float this flop with numerous hands? You seem convinced he has an Ace and not very that I can get him to fold it.

What does my line look like from BB's perpective?

homeboy604 07-19-2007 11:43 PM

Re: Can I rep anything legit if river airballs?
 
KT-JT seems to be about the only thing he could have here that you could fold out with a double barrel.
its close, but i think hes got the ace here much more then he doesnt.

Zeestein 07-20-2007 12:05 AM

Re: Can I rep anything legit if river airballs?
 
either fire no barrells or fire another couple

I think the latter option is far stronger though, there's a ton of hands thats drawing or simply isn't strong enough to stack off with

put it this way, if we have A9 in this spot it's a pretty hard call to make on the turn, and an even harder call to make on the river

DJ Sensei 07-20-2007 12:28 AM

Re: Can I rep anything legit if river airballs?
 
your draw isnt nearly strong enough to value over your FE. so, bombs away!

gir 07-20-2007 12:58 AM

Re: Can I rep anything legit if river airballs?
 
I like a check here. Considering BB called (last to act), his range is significantly greater than SB (which makes it more difficult unfortunately).

He has any pocket pair and AJ/AT/KQ...ish. It looks to me like a trap more often than a float with nothing/pair of 10s.

If you hit your draw, you may get a lot of value out of a set that was going to checkraise you on the turn. If he also checks the river, I'm tempted to fire again (assuming he's not about to triple-check a set or ace). But I don't bet the turn.

BalugaWhale 07-20-2007 01:00 AM

Re: Can I rep anything legit if river airballs?
 
[ QUOTE ]

your draw isnt nearly strong enough to value over your FE. so, bombs away!



[/ QUOTE ]
did you notice that we are double gutter

i mean i'll put it this way
when you c/c this flop what do you have
then take that
and ask yourself how often you really fold it on the turn

jfish 07-20-2007 02:36 AM

Re: Can I rep anything legit if river airballs?
 
3 barrels!

ajloeffl 07-20-2007 02:52 AM

Re: Can I rep anything legit if river airballs?
 
If the BB has shown any tendency to call a flop bet OOP and then fold to a turn bet, then fire away... else check. A lot of players like to call a flop bet after hitting any piece just to see if you fire a 2nd barrel, at which time they fold. No way you should ever bet the river if you check the turn and dont hit your draw on the river.

Also, I like checking behind if you had A4 here. For one thing, you may induce a bluff on the river (if he was either floating OOP or drawing) which you can call. Secondly, if BB checks the river then you can fire and it looks like some crappy bluff which he will call with any pair. I do this routinely with weak make hands and get paid off.

Grandezza 07-20-2007 03:47 AM

Re: Can I rep anything legit if river airballs?
 
Isn't betting the turn, knowing that he'll call a good amount of the time, to set up a river bluff bad?


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