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almostbusto 06-22-2007 03:48 AM

Re: Geometry problem
 
you are right borisp. i guess if you can prove that there exists a path from one end of R to the other, then my proof holds. i am not sure there necessarily is such a path however.

I suspected it might have problems. mostly because i rarely figure out proofs where you have to be clever on my first try.

blah_blah 06-22-2007 04:34 AM

Re: Geometry problem
 
I have seen this problem before (it certainly is well known enough to be considered part of mathematical folklore).

One of the nicer ways is to integrate exp(2 \pi i (x+y)) over R (which is of course the same as integrating exp(2\pi i (x+y)) over the union of all of the rectangles ...)

there is another solution involving checkerboards but I am an analyst by heart and by training and so I stick to my most familiar tools [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

borisp 06-22-2007 04:42 AM

Re: Geometry problem
 
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I have seen this problem before (it certainly is well known enough to be considered part of mathematical folklore).

One of the nicer ways is to integrate exp(2 \pi i (x+y)) over R (which is of course the same as integrating exp(2\pi i (x+y)) over the union of all of the rectangles ...)

there is another solution involving checkerboards but I am an analyst by heart and by training and so I stick to my most familiar tools [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Shut up!!...no offense [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

blah_blah 06-22-2007 04:59 AM

Re: Geometry problem
 
since the majority of 'recreational' mathematicians are not capable of integrating a complex function over a curve in R^2, I think that I haven't spoiled your problem [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

almostbusto 06-22-2007 08:18 PM

Re: Geometry problem
 
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Ok, now I subtract points from myself for agreeing to a fake solution. When you choose to traverse along an integer path, you are not necessarily guaranteed to land at a "corner." It is necessary to be at a corner before you are guaranteed to have an integer path along which to travel.

Try again.

[/ QUOTE ] wait a minute, yes you are guaranteed to land at the corner point with at least one other R_i, but i am not sure i can prove that the path necessarily hits the other side.


can you visualize a corner of an R_i that doesn't share that corner with another R_i? maybe you could demonstrate with a pic because i can't see it right now.

pzhon 06-23-2007 02:37 AM

Re: Geometry problem
 
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Ok, now I subtract points from myself for agreeing to a fake solution. When you choose to traverse along an integer path, you are not necessarily guaranteed to land at a "corner." It is necessary to be at a corner before you are guaranteed to have an integer path along which to travel.

Try again.

[/ QUOTE ] wait a minute, yes you are guaranteed to land at the corner point with at least one other R_i, but i am not sure i can prove that the path necessarily hits the other side.


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This is part of one of the relatively well-known proofs for this problem, which was discussed in Stan Wagon's award-winning paper, "Fourteen Proofs Of a Result About Tiling a Rectangle" American Mathematical Monthly, Aug/Sep 1987. There is something left to prove. In the spirit of this thread, though, I won't post the rest of the proof in the next few days.

Freyalise 06-23-2007 03:28 AM

Re: Geometry problem
 
Bah I've seen the checkerboard solution now and spoiled it.
Very nice problem though which I had not seen before.

thylacine 06-23-2007 04:29 AM

Re: Geometry problem
 
[ QUOTE ]
I have seen this problem before (it certainly is well known enough to be considered part of mathematical folklore).

One of the nicer ways is to integrate exp(2 \pi i (x+y)) over R (which is of course the same as integrating exp(2\pi i (x+y)) over the union of all of the rectangles ...)

there is another solution involving checkerboards but I am an analyst by heart and by training and so I stick to my most familiar tools [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I thought there was a rule against problems where the easiest solution involves calculus. Right? Does this mean there is an even easier solution than this?

Freyalise 06-23-2007 06:19 AM

Re: Geometry problem
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I have seen this problem before (it certainly is well known enough to be considered part of mathematical folklore).

One of the nicer ways is to integrate exp(2 \pi i (x+y)) over R (which is of course the same as integrating exp(2\pi i (x+y)) over the union of all of the rectangles ...)

there is another solution involving checkerboards but I am an analyst by heart and by training and so I stick to my most familiar tools [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]


I thought there was a rule against problems where the easiest solution involves calculus. Right? Does this mean there is an even easier solution than this?

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There is an extremely simple solution, one that a child could understand.

I didn't see it myself so of course I won't spoil the problem by posting it.


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