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Hock_ 06-19-2007 02:35 PM

Re: 66 in big blind versus a couple LAGs
 
Check/calling the turn is really bad. Calling the river is awful.

boc4life 06-19-2007 03:01 PM

Re: 66 in big blind versus a couple LAGs
 
Why not bet/fold the turn? Do you think you'll see a bluff-raise a lot there?

gehrig 06-19-2007 03:07 PM

Re: 66 in big blind versus a couple LAGs
 
just cap pf im pretty sure ur equity is fine

the looser they are the more likely they are to have a crappy six outer they'll fold on the flop (altho maybe nothing's folding on this exact flop) if u cap and lead.

Hock_ 06-19-2007 03:14 PM

Re: 66 in big blind versus a couple LAGs
 
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Why not bet/fold the turn?

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Depending on the opponent this might well be the best line.

Scary_Tiger 06-19-2007 03:34 PM

Re: 66 in big blind versus a couple LAGs
 
HJ is MAHHERZ 46.09/31.74/1.81 over 230 hands 5.2 handed.
CO is KIMBOLA 43.94/22.73/1.64 over 132 hands 5.6 handed.

StellarWind 06-19-2007 04:58 PM

Re: 66 in big blind versus a couple LAGs
 
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This is why I like calling, I manage to fold out HJ.

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This is backwards.

Good relative position is sometimes worth preserving by just calling instead of raising. It's highly to your advantage to act last on the flop bet. If you flop big you can trap the opponents. With a questionable hand you can judge your opponents interest and when you need to draw you'll know the price and the size of the field.

Bad relative position such as you have on this hand is to be avoided when possible. Being the first person to act on a flop bet is usually the worst possible situation.

Your bad relative position favors raising with good hands and folding with questionable hands. I'm not saying you should never call or even that this was a bad call. But the calling range should be a lot wider on both sides when the initiative is going to be on your left. Naturally I'm assuming the opposing hand ranges are the same in each case.

kiddo 06-19-2007 06:32 PM

Re: 66 in big blind versus a couple LAGs
 
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Um, I still beat KQ. Anyone want to check/fold?


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since HJ is raising almost 30% preflop he could be 3bet by small pair, KT and QT and some random hands... with these hands he could think: "ok, gotta call flopcheckraise, I got overs/pair... he checks turn, ok, lets bluff.... river, he is still with me, I got nothing, lets bet again!".

I would normally play it as our poster. Betfold turn is an option if guy got aggressionfactor like below 2 on turn.

XXsooted 06-20-2007 04:05 AM

Re: 66 in big blind versus a couple LAGs
 
Normally I'd fold pre, but I like the call if you think you have a large edge on them post-flop, which I'm guessing is the case

siegfriedandroy 06-21-2007 04:03 AM

Re: 66 in big blind versus a couple LAGs
 
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So I think you played postflop well. I still think folding preflop is better than calling but I have no way of proving that.

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I agree that the post-flop line is correct.

Pre-flop is close, so there's no rule there, but I would lean to a fold unless I was likely to score big when I flop well or, as happened, I believe I have a good chance of getting it HU on flop.

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i aint sure about post flop. maybe it depends on how bad they are. his pfr is reasonable, and we are calling down praying to beat kq (or perhaps q10 or k10)?

siegfriedandroy 06-21-2007 04:06 AM

Re: 66 in big blind versus a couple LAGs
 
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This is one of those silly questions that more or less amounts to "hey guys, I was playing internet poker and this happened, what do you think my opponent was doing?" You know how to solve the hand mathematically, if you have no idea what your the guy was doing then tough nuts, guess and move on [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

176 games 0.005 secs 35,200 games/sec

Board: 2d 3d 8h Ac Jc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 26.420% 26.14% 00.28% 46 0.50 { 6d6h }
Hand 1: 73.580% 73.30% 00.28% 129 0.50 { 55+, A6s+, K9s+, QTs+, JTs, A9o+, KTo+, QJo }

With a random stove with a big range he needs to be bluffing about 40% of the time that he has nothing.

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hey bro- enjoyed the hu video w/ stox. how do you get the 40%?


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