Re: Theres the easy way and the hard way
 

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If we donk, BB folds and Btn floats, aren't we committed to fire a second barrel?

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No, then we check/fold the turn cuz the play is over. If the BTN is smart enough to call the flop with nothing knowing we have nothing he deserves the pot.

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What if the button is dumb enough to call the flop with nothing because he doesn't care what we have? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: Theres the easy way and the hard way
 

In spots where I am expecting to get called down by K high every time and maybe even Q high I try to not bluff.

Re: Theres the easy way and the hard way
 

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If we donk, BB folds and Btn floats, aren't we committed to fire a second barrel?

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No, then we check/fold the turn cuz the play is over. If the BTN is smart enough to call the flop with nothing knowing we have nothing he deserves the pot.

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What if the button is dumb enough to call the flop with nothing because he doesn't care what we have? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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If hes that stupid than he needs the money more than we do. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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i think cr is fine here.

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No, then we check/fold the turn cuz the play is over. If the BTN is smart enough to call the flop with nothing knowing we have nothing he deserves the pot.

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yep, and if he calls without thinking about what we got we shouldnt bluff... why bet with nothing agaisnt a guy who always goes to showdown

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So I c/f'ed @ this flop the whole time thinkin, I know you don't have crap but you're going to get this pot anyway. BB folded as well and I never got to see the hand.