Re: LC - Bubble Pushing w/ shortie
 

Well anyways, the new version of sngwiz gave me a) and that is quite obiously wrong.

Personally I think even d) is too wide, I would limp a wide range (so as not to let the SB get away. ever.) and push JJ+,AK.

Re: LC - Bubble Pushing w/ shortie
 

Sng Wiz (not last version anyway) gives something close to c) against plausible ranges.

Re: LC - Bubble Pushing w/ shortie
 

I limp here, calling SB shove obv

Re: LC - Bubble Pushing w/ shortie
 

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if you fold here, the sb pushes. If the BB knows how to play the bubble, he will fold.

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I don't think thats right, especially not in a case where he is going to get called a lot wider than he should be if he tries to continue owning the bubble.

Re: LC - Bubble Pushing w/ shortie
 

The Wizard's calculations were correct, but the new opponent modeling was coming up with a calling range for the big blind that was way too tight when the hero folds and the small blind pushes. I have posted a new release that fixes the problem.

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if you fold here, the sb pushes. If the BB knows how to play the bubble, he will fold.

If you limp and the small blind pushes, two things will happen. The BB will push/call and you will fold/call, or the BB will fold and you will call. This way you ensure that the SB does not pick up the free blinds.

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Re: LC - Bubble Pushing w/ shortie
 

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if you fold here, the sb pushes. If the BB knows how to play the bubble, he will fold.

If you limp and the small blind pushes, two things will happen. The BB will push/call and you will fold/call, or the BB will fold and you will call. This way you ensure that the SB does not pick up the free blinds.

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Does the BB not fold here if the sb pushes? I mean I've seen it happen a lot in the 6.50s, but it's more of a CL not wanting to lose chips. I don't like pushing KQs into the leader with the sb being 600. I call here because it ensures that the sb cannot push and have the bb fold to keep the bubble going for whatever reason.

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if you fold here, the sb pushes. If the BB knows how to play the bubble, he will fold.

If you limp and the small blind pushes, two things will happen. The BB will push/call and you will fold/call, or the BB will fold and you will call. This way you ensure that the SB does not pick up the free blinds.

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I don't agree that BB folding to a shove from SB is correct, and I also don't think that hardly any player would fold that.

I think limping is fine against most players, especially if the BB isn't playing aggressive. I would limp, and call a shove from the short stack if BB calls or folds and I would fold to a shove from BB. If the big stack is playing aggressive on the bubble there is no reason to call here IMO, it will just lose you a BB.

Re: LC - Bubble Pushing w/ shortie
 

shove or fold. none of this limping BS.

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I think limping is fine against most players, especially if the BB isn't playing aggressive. I would limp, and call a shove from the short stack if BB calls or folds and I would fold to a shove from BB. If the big stack is playing aggressive on the bubble there is no reason to call here IMO, it will just lose you a BB.


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agreed