Re: There must be a standard line here
 

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I think approx 1/2 the hands in his range have you beat


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I disagree because there are only four aces in the deck and we can see two of them.

Guy.

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You're right, I'm wrong, I like #2 even more now.

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One thing I'll do if like the board is

A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] - he bets, I call

I'll raise like the 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] turn

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why???
i really think he doesn t fold is AX

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because i can't get 3-bet

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One thing I'll do if like the board is

A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] - he bets, I call

I'll raise like the 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] turn

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That's pretty interesting.

I was also wondering about raising when a broadway card hits the turn. You stand a decent chance of getting paid off, if he's hit that card; you get to protect your hand a bit versus gutshot draws that will most likely check-fold the river UI anyway; and again you're pretty unlikely to be threebet by anything you beat or split with. Anyone like?

Guy.

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i like raising the board pairing bdfd cards, u get alot of light calldowns on that card (atleast from me [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ), but after u raise this turn do u have a clear vb on the river?

And if u raise/fold to a 3bet on a broadway card and the board is A96K and he finds a good 3bet with TPTK (easier to do if u are habitually raising the turn here with TPNK), u miss out on 3 outs for the win and 6 for the chop, getting like 10:1 now. and again if u raise this turn, whats the correct river action? His range is much stronger after he calls ur raise on a K Q or J turn.

i think u just get urself in trouble and end up with ambiguous decisions on the river or when faced with a 3bet (particularly against unknowns). The major plus side tho is metagame, if he cant respect a turn raise since it could be any draw or any TP u get paid off more later. Not sure its always worth gaining that to give up some by taking a slightly less than optimal line thats a bit too aggressive (raise turn on a 9 6 or broadway, and bet a blank river), since we ll probably be semi-bluffing enough already in many other spots.

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If you get 3-bet on turn by a decent LAG/TAG on a non-pair board your hand is dead anyways (I know some people don´t believe that. But that is a fact).So the board pairing don´t give us any reason to raise if we didn´t find it suitable on a non-paired board.
The only thing you accomplish with a turn raise on a paired board is that you may scare TT-KK to fold since they now realize that there are more possible hands that has the potential to beat their PP.
Most of the value from playing WA/WB in the first place is to avoid folding worse hands which makes this line some kind of contraproductive.

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One thing I'll say is that raising the turn doesn't make any sense unless you can value bet the river.

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I hate WA/WB lines but I think it is by far the best in this case when we have position.
I think raising turn and check behind is second best. But that depends on the turn card.

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i like raising the board pairing bdfd cards, u get alot of light calldowns on that card (atleast from me [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ), but after u raise this turn do u have a clear vb on the river?

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1st part answers 2nd part.

This play also substantiates future turn raises and wins $ when you do raise the turn and AK is like "WTF LOL" later on. because they "learned"