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True 05-23-2007 08:36 PM

Re: MSNL, Quick Help Me Write An Article
 
playing showdown hands too aggressively
playing weak hands and hands that require fold equity too passively.

For instance, BTN raises, You have K3s in BB, if people tend to play it they would often call but should be raising. It's a pretty common situation that when people are opening their range they tend to be opening it up badly.

aejones 05-23-2007 08:37 PM

Re: MSNL, Quick Help Me Write An Article
 
Giving up on pots too easily.

Not value betting thinly enough.

Scratch that, don't write about those things, I want people to keep F'ing them up.

TheWorstPlayer 05-23-2007 08:42 PM

Re: MSNL, Quick Help Me Write An Article
 
>Betting to protect too often and to get value too rarely (esp pertinent to size of bets)

>Not getting thin value in huge pots (these river bets are really big even if they are only 1/3 pot)

>Calling raises and reraises OOP

>Bankroll management (being both too conservative and too aggressive - taking shots is good, going broke is not)

>Game selection and perhaps more importantly seat selection

>Making +EV bluffs where other lines have more value (like raising/re-raising in position instead of smooth calling - both pre and postflop)

pete fabrizio 05-23-2007 08:51 PM

Re: MSNL, Quick Help Me Write An Article
 
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hmmm off the top of my head

calling pfr's oop
game selection
br management
keeping ego in check

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I'd say these are pretty much covered by, oh, just about every poker article ever written.

DLizzle 05-23-2007 08:54 PM

Re: MSNL, Quick Help Me Write An Article
 
-not thinking creatively/actively about their game. A good example of this is cbetting too much just because cbetting is the thing to do when you're the pfr, but in general this is really important especially with how fast the games are changing these days.

-attacking good players constantly. If there are bad players at the table still to act why are people still 3betting other good players so lightly?

-not c/r enough on all streets

-many players are either always playing for pot control or always playing for max value when there should be a mix

Clayton 05-23-2007 08:56 PM

Re: MSNL, Quick Help Me Write An Article
 
balancing the importance of position with the out of position donkbet

aejones 05-23-2007 08:59 PM

Re: MSNL, Quick Help Me Write An Article
 
People who 3-bet too much. Write an article about how 3-betting sucks, please.

Tickner 05-23-2007 09:00 PM

Re: MSNL, Quick Help Me Write An Article
 
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balancing the importance of position with the out of position donkbet

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expand on this?

Lefort 05-23-2007 09:05 PM

Re: MSNL, Quick Help Me Write An Article
 
Bad players think only about their own two cards. Better players think about their own, as well as others. Good players begin putting ranges on players. The best players think of not only what they are holding and what thier opponent can be holding, but also how they would play the other hands in their range at that given situation. I would think that many MSNL players analyze hands too much on an "in a vacuum" basis, instead of thinking of how their play meshes into their overall strategy to avoid being easily exploitable.

Ummm.. definitely not value betting thin as well as (and possibly even more important) not bluffing thin enough. Too many people check behind a river where they should bet for value, and even more people check behind a river just because their hand gains a little showdown value but they fail to realize that their fold equity on a bet has much more value.. its like a "I just wanna see what he has so I'll click check really quickly" mentality and you see it alot at MSNL...

When to fire/call 2nd and 3rd barrels is another very big one but I'm not gonna get into it..

RiverHebrew2 05-23-2007 09:47 PM

Re: MSNL, Quick Help Me Write An Article
 
set mining with <100BB stacks and calling too much with position in reraised pots vs a TAG with a solid reraising range


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