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lautzutao 05-17-2007 01:47 AM

Re: TT in BB vs donk, with overcard on board.
 
I think folding should be an option. Donks that donk twice in a row usually have something better than middle pair...

Xhad 05-17-2007 01:59 AM

Re: TT in BB vs donk, with overcard on board.
 
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I think folding should be an option. Donks that donk twice in a row usually have something better than middle pair...

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You have a draw. It isn't great but you're also heads up. And donking twice does not guarantee a great hand, I see people do it with bottom pair all the time.

Ivar 05-17-2007 05:44 PM

Re: TT in BB vs donk, with overcard on board.
 
I think folding is not an option, bacause i'm Heads Up against a loose donk;

In the long run, I think he will show me an ace of clubs, a low pair or some other draw more often than a queen, a straight or even a flush. Why sould he donk a queen again on the turn? wouldn't he 3-bet that on the flop? If he had a queen, wouldn't he c/c the turn then if called the flop?)

Ivar

bravos1 05-17-2007 05:53 PM

Re: TT in BB vs donk, with overcard on board.
 
Ivar.. you still never answered my below questions.

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what does the flop raise accomplish? What was your action if he checked to you (on the turn)?

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Ivar 05-17-2007 06:19 PM

Re: TT in BB vs donk, with overcard on board.
 
Sorry Bravos1,

My flop raise was to let fold CO, to let SB pay more for his draw?, low pair?, bluff? and get it HU with him. If it was checked to me, I would definitely make a cbet. You don't always have to fear if an overcard comes on the flop. A lot of people think; oh he donks the flop -> he got to have that Q.

Ivar

Second Toughest 05-17-2007 07:22 PM

Re: TT in BB vs donk, with overcard on board.
 
As played up to the turn.

Think you fold the turn. You need 7 clean outs to be profitable and you don't have them.

skelm 05-17-2007 07:30 PM

Re: TT in BB vs donk, with overcard on board.
 
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As played up to the turn.

Think you fold the turn. You need 7 clean outs to be profitable and you don't have them.

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At this point there are 11 bets in the pot and 12 once the hero calls the turn. If he only has to call 1 more bet on the river at most to win a possible 12 then isn't it work just check-calling it down as the villian is a fairly loose player who could be betting on bottom or middle pair?

bravos1 05-17-2007 07:32 PM

Re: TT in BB vs donk, with overcard on board.
 
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As played up to the turn.

Think you fold the turn. You need 7 clean outs to be profitable and you don't have them.

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At this point there are 11 bets in the pot and 12 once the hero calls the turn. If he only has to call 1 more bet on the river at most to win a possible 12 then isn't it work just check-calling it down as the villian is a fairly loose player who could be betting on bottom or middle pair?

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[nit]There are only 6 bets in the pot when hero has to call one on the turn.[/nit]


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