Re: Chimps are people too, insists scientist
 

Call me crazy, but I think one of the major requirements for granting human rights is to be a human being.

Re: Chimps are people too, insists scientist
 

I once saw a docu about a gorilla named Koko.
She was educated from early on in sign-language.
I've never seen a soul more lonely then hers.
It was heart-bleeding.
I rest my case!

Re: Chimps are people too, insists scientist
 

First they came for the gorillas...

Re: Chimps are people too, insists scientist
 

I think we should start by giving HUMANS human rights.

Re: Chimps are people too, insists scientist
 

Where is William Proxmire when you need him?

Re: Chimps are people too, insists scientist
 

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A group without boundaries.

Re: Chimps are people too, insists scientist
 

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All humans need do is leave them alone and stop destroying their natural habitat.

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Humans and chimps live in different habitats, preventing humans from destroying a chimps forest is to prevent them from living their. IE you have to give the chimps rights to their land in stead of humans.

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That's not quite so. You could also throw in money to buy a set of land that will be used for chimps only. The rights would belong to the people owning the land, but the chimps would be left alone.

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If you do this then you are selling land to humans and respecting human property rights. I am under the impression that Goodall wants governments to provide this land which is an entirely different animal (PI).

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racist

Court won\'t declare chimp a person
 

Court won't declare chimp a person

An update on the progress of this case.

He's now got a human name — Matthew Hiasl Pan — but he's having trouble getting his day in court. Animal rights activists campaigning to get Pan, a 26-year-old chimpanzee, legally declared a person vowed Thursday to take their challenge to Austria's Supreme Court after a lower court threw out their latest appeal.

A provincial judge in the city of Wiener Neustadt dismissed the case earlier this week, ruling that the Vienna-based Association Against Animal Factories had no legal standing to argue on the chimp's behalf.

The association, which worries the shelter caring for the chimp might close, has been pressing to get Pan declared a "person" so a guardian can be appointed to look out for his interests and provide him with a home.

Group president Martin Balluch insists that Pan is "a being with interests" and accuses the Austrian judicial system of monkeying around.

"It is astounding how all the courts try to evade the question of personhood of a chimp as much as they can," Balluch said.

A hearing date for the Supreme Court appeal was not immediately set.



Astounding that the courts evade the question of the personhood of a chimp??? Too funny.

Oh well, going on vacation out of town for 10 days, probably will read this forum a few times but probably won't post until I get back.

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Astounding that the courts evade the question of the personhood of a chimp??? Too funny.

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This is pretty standard in the US and I think in most common law jursidictions: courts aren't supposed to issue a ruling on the merits of a case if there are procedural grounds to dismiss the case and when ruling on the merits to rule as narrowly as possible. Justice Roberts has been big on this lately.