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soah 05-14-2007 02:02 PM

Re: Collusion, bots, faulty algorithms online: I think answer is MTT\'
 
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You are dealt pocket tens on the button. Your accomplice is UTG, who folds, sending you an IM indicating which cards they folded, one of which was a ten, and you're facing a raise from the CO. Naturally, based upon the information you received, you fold.

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*head explodes*

Nate tha\\\' Great 05-14-2007 02:08 PM

Re: Collusion, bots, faulty algorithms online: I think answer is MTT\'
 
The answer is HORSE, duh.

questions 05-14-2007 02:10 PM

Re: Collusion, bots, faulty algorithms online: I think answer is MTT\'
 
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You are dealt pocket tens on the button. Your accomplice is UTG, who folds, sending you an IM indicating which cards they folded, one of which was a ten, and you're facing a raise from the CO. Naturally, based upon the information you received, you fold.

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*head explodes*

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Take two aspirin and call me in the morning. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

But seriously, the answer to the question "how does collusion improve winrates" is pretty simple - "two heads are better than one".

I mean, does that not illustrate how collusion, from one perspective, takes money away from players who are not in on the collusion?

questions 05-14-2007 02:14 PM

Re: Collusion, bots, faulty algorithms online: I think answer is MTT\'
 
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The answer is HORSE, duh.

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No, because any game in which valuable hidden information is key to winning (and which applies to each game of HORSE) can be subject to collusive online play.

soah 05-14-2007 02:35 PM

Re: Collusion, bots, faulty algorithms online: I think answer is MTT\'
 
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You are dealt pocket tens on the button. Your accomplice is UTG, who folds, sending you an IM indicating which cards they folded, one of which was a ten, and you're facing a raise from the CO. Naturally, based upon the information you received, you fold.

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*head explodes*

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Take two aspirin and call me in the morning. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

But seriously, the answer to the question "how does collusion improve winrates" is pretty simple - "two heads are better than one".

I mean, does that not illustrate how collusion, from one perspective, takes money away from players who are not in on the collusion?

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<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre>
Board:
Dead: Tc

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 62.679% 62.41% 00.27% 827077335 3617925.00 { TT }
Hand 1: 37.321% 37.05% 00.27% 491010111 3617925.00 { 22+, A2s+, K9s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T8s+, 97s+, 86s+, 75s+, 65s, ATo+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }
</pre><hr />

questions 05-14-2007 02:44 PM

Re: Collusion, bots, faulty algorithms online: I think answer is MTT\'
 
So I'm TAG. What can I say. LOL

Playing TT in a raised pot when you know a ten has been mucked is not very smart, regardless of the general stats. Raising with TT when you are acting alone IS.

Even so, I'm not talking about pocket tens - just trying to make a point.

tendog 05-14-2007 02:48 PM

Re: Collusion, bots, faulty algorithms online: I think answer is MTT\'s.
 
i just think the average low limit online player has gotten better mostly because its a little bit harder to deposit,etc and this discourages the casual player.

i think at casinos you find more casual players just playing for fun not working real hard on improving.

its not shuffle randomizers or collusion that is the problem.

if you want to win consistant monies i dont think MTTs are the way to go. unless you want to put in 13 hrs. a day to try to deal with the variance.

i think heads up is good if you are that concerned about collousion

heater 05-14-2007 04:36 PM

Re: Collusion, bots, faulty algorithms online: I think answer is MTT\'
 
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Some of the biggest names in poker have admitted to online collusion.

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Okay. Links plz.

questions 05-14-2007 04:44 PM

Re: Collusion, bots, faulty algorithms online: I think answer is MTT\'
 
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Some of the biggest names in poker have admitted to online collusion.

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Okay. Links plz.

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Well, much as I hate to remind people because he has such an awesome mind, there was that editorial David had in his forum. Remember that?

Fishy McDonk 05-14-2007 05:15 PM

Re: Collusion, bots, faulty algorithms online: I think answer is MTT\'s.
 
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Collusion, bots, faulty algorithms online: I think answer is MTT's..

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Do search for ZeeJustin in MTT forum, read historic threads, come back and tell us if you still think the answer is MTT's


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