Re: The occasional semi-bluff with a lot of stress on \"bluff\"...
 

It's a fold for me pre.

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What have you been playing? If you've been aggro any at at all and he's got TT+ i think your getting looked up.

Looks like a train.wreck to me.

Re: The occasional semi-bluff with a lot of stress on \"bluff\"...
 

IMO ... villain is too weak to pull this stuff (going by AF)

1.5 means he tends to call ...

if opponent was like a 19/15/3.1 ... then go for it.

if I'm that villain though ... I'm looking at the board - after you check raise and call a three bet I'm thinking you have
1/ pocket pair 55-88
2/ top pair ... A9, J9, T9, 98

also the turn bring a flush draw now + a scare card ... you may be doing this with a 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img](8, T, J) [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

so it's kind of looking like you'll get a BS call down ...

not a bad spot IMO ... but it's against the wrong guy

Re: The occasional semi-bluff with a lot of stress on \"bluff\"...
 

I like it if he folded.

Re: The occasional semi-bluff with a lot of stress on \"bluff\"...
 

i sense spew on the turn CR. Calling J9s is fine, hitting top pair is fine, villain 3betting my raise had me the most worried. we're oop and have heavy fire coming our way from a somewhat passive postflop player. me no likey this bluff.

Re: The occasional semi-bluff with a lot of stress on \"bluff\"...
 

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i sense spew on the turn CR. Calling J9s is fine, hitting top pair is fine, villain 3betting my raise had me the most worried. we're oop and have heavy fire coming our way from a somewhat passive postflop player. me no likey this bluff.

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Put yourself in villain's shoes. (You have KK.)

Re: The occasional semi-bluff with a lot of stress on \"bluff\"...
 

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i sense spew on the turn CR. Calling J9s is fine, hitting top pair is fine, villain 3betting my raise had me the most worried. we're oop and have heavy fire coming our way from a somewhat passive postflop player. me no likey this bluff.

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Put yourself in villain's shoes. (You have KK.)

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I call down because I don't think hero has an ace here very often. I'm more worried about seeing a set or two pair.

Re: The occasional semi-bluff with a lot of stress on \"bluff\"...
 

This is a terrible place to bluff imo. Villian putting that many bets in is simply going to call down from that raise. If he were weak-tight he woulda check/folded on the turn.

Re: The occasional semi-bluff with a lot of stress on \"bluff\"...
 

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Boz, assuming he raises slightly less than his "full" 8% from EP (let's say 6%), I'm a 2:1 dog, getting 3:1 odds... ?

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...out of position, facing reverse implied odds unless you make a straight...

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Ok, here's what I'm wondering... Would you call from the BB with JTs? I guess you would. How about T9s? I would assume you do.

The only difference between my hand and those is that JT and T9 make one more str8. (And curiously enough, 'stove gives me a higher equity with J9s than with T9s)

Then about RIO: Isn't that more of an issue if it were multiway and/or draw-heavy board? If I don'T flop a good draw or a good pair, I get out. Otherwise, I have a reasonable hand.

This flop is fairly dry - I have little to fear in terms of FD or SD etc. If villains range is the above mentioned 6%, with me flopping TP, I'm pretty much 50:50 vs his range.

I don't think just folding getting 5:1 can be standard?

But the question presents itself: What is the right play then? I assume c/call, c/call b/f (given turn and river don't look too scary)?

Re: The occasional semi-bluff with a lot of stress on \"bluff\"...
 

I'm not huge on it. I just fold if he's playing back at me this heavily on the flop.

You represented your hand as a strong made flop hand -- this means the only hands you check/raise turn with are flopped sets/2pairs, and A9. He's probably picked up enough about you that there's no way you have any type of 2pair hand as you'd fold preflop, and that you would 3bet any bigger pair preflop (as you play straightforward). There is also no semibluff draw on the flop.

You've turned your hand face up on the flop, as 9+WK, or unlikely flopped 99/22/44 which are sorta, meh. I don't think the Ace changes anything on the turn. If he's weak enough to fold there, then wow. Otherwise, I think you get called down way more often.

Re: The occasional semi-bluff with a lot of stress on \"bluff\"...
 

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Boz, assuming he raises slightly less than his "full" 8% from EP (let's say 6%), I'm a 2:1 dog, getting 3:1 odds... ?

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...out of position, facing reverse implied odds unless you make a straight...

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Ok, here's what I'm wondering... Would you call from the BB with JTs? I guess you would. How about T9s? I would assume you do.

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Against this opponent I wouldn't. I'd seriously consider folding KJo here.

(NOTE: My fullring preflop stats when I played most heavily were something like 19/13)