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spino1i 04-23-2007 05:04 AM

Re: HU 5/10 fairly common spot from a student
 
Your asking yourself to get put in a really nasty spot by pushing this hand this hard out of position. Just check/call the flop and then lead on a favorable turn, or if you think he's really aggressive and will double-barrel most of the time, go for a turn check/raise..

BobboFitos 04-23-2007 05:06 AM

Re: HU 5/10 fairly common spot from a student
 
i know who hero is, image is so important in this spot
but generally its a fold

spino1i 04-23-2007 05:07 AM

Re: HU 5/10 fairly common spot from a student
 
Yeh I think this is a fold. I mean your hoping he's semi-bluffing here, but I dont think he is that often given the great amount of strength you've shown.

breitling996 04-23-2007 05:24 AM

Re: HU 5/10 fairly common spot from a student
 
how come no one has said rr pf???? as played looks like he gotta fold now..betting turn is bad this is a very easy spot to be bluffed or is already murdered...

BobboFitos 04-23-2007 05:32 AM

Re: HU 5/10 fairly common spot from a student
 
Three quick other comments:
1. I reraise preflop ALWAYS. literally 100%. I think you're missing out alot by just calling.
2. I checkraise air on this board alot.
3. The ABC way to play this GIVEN THE PREFLOP CALL, is to check call and revaluate turn; lead, check call, or check raise the turn are all suitable depending on opponent and what turns. IF you fold this hand, it will be on the river.

FiSheYe 04-23-2007 02:21 PM

Re: HU 5/10 fairly common spot from a student
 
Easy raise PF increases EV and makes the hand a lot easier.
As played I like the flop c/r but I would bet less on the turn.
I don't think Villain has air often enough for us to make the call worthwile. Either we're drawing dead or have 2outs. The times he bluffs he will have a flushdraw or might have a FD+Jack-Kombo
I think this is a very bad spot to call. Our hand looks like a monster and he needs to be very very optimistically thinking we fold often enough to make this a good push.

As played, fold.. but just avoid the Situation by raising pf.

whaahhahahah 04-23-2007 02:36 PM

Re: HU 5/10 fairly common spot from a student
 
i think a number of the same problems will occur in a reraised pot (though villain's range will be tighter and the dynamics of reraised pots will come into play).

if hero reraises preflop and gets to the turn, the flop action will probably go bet/call. the pot is still going to be about 400 or so and hero has the same decision.

AcTiOnJaCsOn 04-23-2007 02:59 PM

Re: HU 5/10 fairly common spot from a student
 
without an agressive image y is he check raising this flop, and i probably re raise a huge percentage of the time. Since he didnt and he didnt put much in the pot preflop he can fold i think on the turn.

Big_Jim 04-23-2007 03:46 PM

Re: HU 5/10 fairly common spot from a student
 
[ QUOTE ]
Three quick other comments:
1. I reraise preflop ALWAYS. literally 100%. I think you're missing out alot by just calling.
2. I checkraise air on this board alot.
3. The ABC way to play this GIVEN THE PREFLOP CALL, is to check call and revaluate turn; lead, check call, or check raise the turn are all suitable depending on opponent and what turns. IF you fold this hand, it will be on the river.

[/ QUOTE ]
I agree with all of this, except that I only RR PF like 90%.

Big_Jim 04-23-2007 03:47 PM

Re: HU 5/10 fairly common spot from a student
 
[ QUOTE ]
That brings me back to the "he has a very big hand or a bluff" position, and I think if that's the range you put him on, you have to call, getting 2:1. What do you all think about this?

[/ QUOTE ]
Given image, I'd say you're being pretty optimistic about how often he has a bluff.

I don't see him floating the c/r hardly ever, if he thinks Hero is nitty, and I think he's pushing over the top with a stone bluff hardly ever as well.

Sure, he might show up with AK[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], AT[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or what have you, but there are a lot less combos of those hands than Qx.


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