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PorkPieHat 04-17-2007 08:26 AM

Re: Can I fold here?
 
Call and scoop, he prolly has middle set. Maybe spades or a low draw to go with it now, but that's irrelevant.

bbartlog 04-17-2007 12:52 PM

Re: Can I fold here?
 
Maybe spades or a low draw to go with it now, but that's irrelevant.

How is that irrelevant? If he has lower set plus spades and a low draw our equity in the hand is what, like 60%? If we figured that he has the nut str8 here half the time and low draw plus spade flush draw here the other half, it would be -EV to call... whereas if we just give him the lower set half the time then calling makes sense.

Anyway, I think I fold. Problem being that much of the time your opponent will have some sort of low draw, so that half of the time you catch him semibluffing he gets away with half the pot anyway. And I think he often will have the straight here, despite the seeming improbability of 67xx hands based on the action so far.

Shabamabam 04-17-2007 01:21 PM

Re: Can I fold here?
 
If I didn't have the Ace of spades, I insta-call. Anyone argue with this logic?

mxyzptlk 04-17-2007 01:28 PM

Re: Can I fold here?
 
It's a pretty bad flop call on his part with a hand which beats you here. If he's aggressive, easy call. He thinks you missed, and the turn card is safe enough to push with a smaller set.

mxyzptlk 04-17-2007 01:38 PM

Re: Can I fold here?
 
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If I didn't have the Ace of spades, I insta-call. Anyone argue with this logic?

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I see the logic (meaning could be semi-bluffing a big draw which includes the nut flush draw), but he's gonna make this play the range {big draw, smaller set}. This is standard with a smaller set. And if he's good, I don't think pot odds + implied odds - reverse implied odds are sufficient on the flop for a hand which is beating you right now. Plus what kind of hands does this guy play UTG? I can't imagine something like a267 with a low spade draw is looking that great to call a flop raise OOP. Is he the kind to limp some hand with 88,99 under the gun? Maybe he's got A{2,3}88. Another alternative is something like JTQK with spades.

mxyzptlk 04-17-2007 02:37 PM

Re: Can I fold here?
 
The more and more I think about it, the fact that you have the As, it's more likely he has a smaller set and he puts you on a draw.

wiseheart 04-17-2007 03:32 PM

Re: Can I fold here?
 
results?

SweetLuckyMe 04-17-2007 03:36 PM

Re: Can I fold here?
 
No, you can't fold it. You've got some cards to dodge, but you've got redraws to beat anything he could possibly catch.

SweetLuckyMe 04-17-2007 03:54 PM

Re: Can I fold here?
 
The hand history show "Omaha". It doesn't say it's hi/lo.

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Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $25/$50
8 players

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I dunno 04-17-2007 04:12 PM

Re: Can I fold here?
 
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If I didn't have the Ace of spades, I insta-call. Anyone argue with this logic?

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Because you hold the ace of spades, it makes me think it's even less likely he lead the flop and called a raise with a 76xx type hand.


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