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This looks like 55 for CO and JJ for SB. Easy fold.

Re: observed hand: crazy flop action with bottom set on dry board
 

In my better moments I fold this with no problem. Even if you know nothing about the other guys, knowing SB is a solid player is enough-he's seen a call and two raises and he's cold-calling? You don't think he mucks J5 here? I know I would if in his position.

Re: observed hand: crazy flop action with bottom set on dry board
 

is 55 an easy push?

Re: observed hand: crazy flop action with bottom set on dry board
 

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is 55 an easy push?

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Not an easy one, but harder to refrain from pushing 55 than J5. Conceiving of a scenario in which 55 is good here is also difficult, but at least 55 beats 33 and might get called by 33 as well. The point is that the worse your hand is, the greater the extent to which you have to assume that MP+1 and CO are overplaying their hands.

Re: observed hand: crazy flop action with bottom set on dry board
 

Yeah, this is set > set, but I get all my money in anyway.

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is 55 an easy push?


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Not an easy one, but harder to refrain from pushing 55 than J5. Conceiving of a scenario in which 55 is good here is also difficult, but at least 55 beats 33 and might get called by 33 as well. The point is that the worse your hand is, the greater the extent to which you have to assume that MP+1 and CO are overplaying their hands.


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well, it may not have to be a push, depending on how you want to play it, but it is almost assuredly not a fold. your read on SB would have to be insanely good - specifically, you would have to know that he's not raising JJ out of the blinds, which would be rare - especially with all that dead money out there preflop.

Re: observed hand: crazy flop action with bottom set on dry board
 

55 is an esay push.

Re: observed hand: crazy flop action with bottom set on dry board
 

I think SB has 64. Who would cold call with JJ preflop or after all the action? If I had JJJ here, I am never giving 64 a chance to dry.

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I think SB has 64

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Solid winning TAG cold-calls two raises from 40 to 350 8 outs and absolutely no reason to believe that a couple more raises are coming? Not very likely IMO

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Who would cold call with JJ preflop

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LOTS OF PEOPLE. Typical weak player talk is "every time I raise JJ an ace flops." I am never surprised to find out when somebody limped JJ preflop.

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or after all the action?

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Some guy thinking that slowplaying on this dry board can't be that terrible of an idea. PEOPLE LOVE TO SLOWPLAY.

Kane, I think JJ is one of the perfect hands to illustrate that the way you, me, and most 2+2ers think about poker is significantly different from the way many strangers do.

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FF - this guy

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Very solid SB, who has logged a lot of hands with hero and who is a big winner overall in this game

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does not think like this

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LOTS OF PEOPLE. Typical weak player talk is "every time I raise JJ an ace flops." I am never surprised to find out when somebody limped JJ preflop.


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