Re: Standard set fold in stars 109
 

ok ... that makes sense ... so the turn bet gives villian incorrect odds to call if he needs a diamond for the flush but Bond has correct odds to call the reraise in an attempt to hit his quads or full house

I get it ...

Re: Standard set fold in stars 109
 

Yea as played we certainly can't fold on turn getting implied odds that include the pot+his entire stack basically always.

Should i be checking this turn?????

Re: Standard set fold in stars 109
 

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Yea as played we certainly can't fold on turn getting implied odds that include the pot+his entire stack basically always.

Should i be checking this turn?????

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I check the turn a lot when a scare card hits. Not sure if this is good or bad. :/

Re: Standard set fold in stars 109
 

For this specific line I do like a check on the turn.

Re: Standard set fold in stars 109
 

Doesn't the turn bet confirm that it is indeed a flush ... otherwise there isn't enough information to fold my set

Re: Standard set fold in stars 109
 

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Doesn't the turn bet confirm that it is indeed a flush ... otherwise there isn't enough information to fold my set

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But if you check behind on the turn you do several things. Here are a few in no particular order:
1) Keep the pot smaller when you might be behind.
2) Given villain an opportunity to bluff river.
3) Take a free card to your full house if you are behind.

Re: Standard set fold in stars 109
 

Yeah when I think about it, in position a check behind on the turn, intending to call a river bet, or push when the board pairs. That is optimal.

Re: Standard set fold in stars 109
 

however ...

1) no bet doesn't give villian a chance to make a mistake on a flush draw
2) we have a better idea that the villian isn't bluffing taking Bonds line ... we think it is a bluff if we check the turn
3) if the board pairs up then it is unlikely we see any more of villians stack and the turn bet gets us some extra chips

Re: Standard set fold in stars 109
 

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Yeah when I think about it, in position a check behind on the turn, intending to call a river bet, or push when the board pairs. That is optimal.

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I feel like you're missing out on a ton of value versus weak players when you play sets in position this way just because a flush card turned.

Re: Standard set fold in stars 109
 

I put villains on flush draws/flushes WAY too often FWIW.