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Raise PF. I'm not a big fan of open limping ANY pair in ANY position.

I think I probably call and lead turn here.

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Bad advice. Open limping has it's place...esp. with small pairs.

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Re: Deep (how to get the money in?)
 

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Raise PF. I'm not a big fan of open limping ANY pair in ANY position.

I think I probably call and lead turn here.

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Bad advice. Open limping has it's place...esp. with small pairs.

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This isn't full ring.

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Duh?

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You aren't going to find many people that agree with you here. Open limping has no place in 6 max.

I like a b/3b here. Try to get as much as possible before a third spade hits. Bad players will always slowdown if the flush just got made.

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Raise PF. I'm not a big fan of open limping ANY pair in ANY position.

I think I probably call and lead turn here.

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Bad advice. Open limping has it's place...esp. with small pairs.

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This isn't full ring.

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Duh?

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That isn't bad advice. Its not FR. I raise ALL pairs from ALL positions as its usually the best play for quite a few reasons.

Re: Deep (how to get the money in?)
 

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Raise PF. I'm not a big fan of open limping ANY pair in ANY position.

I think I probably call and lead turn here.

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Bad advice. Open limping has it's place...esp. with small pairs.

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How is open-limping 22 UTG at 6m better than open raising?

Re: Deep (how to get the money in?)
 

cbboy, please explain the reasons, I'd like to know.

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cbboy, please explain the reasons, I'd like to know.

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You take initiative in the hand so it will be easier to win the hand PF or on the flop with a c-bet. Playing the hand like this, all you are doing is hoping to flop a set as that is pretty much the only way you can win the hand.

You create a bigger pot if/when you flop a set so it will make it easier to get the money in the middle.

I'm sure there are a few more reasons, but I'm not thinking too clearly right now as I'm pretty tired.

Oh- another reason is that open limping UTG looks ugly and is fishy! lol.

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Raise PF. I'm not a big fan of open limping ANY pair in ANY position.

I think I probably call and lead turn here.

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Bad advice. Open limping has it's place...esp. with small pairs.

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How is open-limping 22 UTG at 6m better than open raising?

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It might not be better generally, but you have to take the table and your image under consideration. At this particular table there are many loose players (including 2 loose shortstacks) - look at how much play UTG+1 got on his pfr.

My point is if I raise UTG from this spot I'm likely going to get multiple callers (and probably not UTG+1-cause he's tight), including the loose shortstacks. In this situation c-betting the flop is just spew - particulary since they are probably already getting sick of me raising already.

Lucky

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Raise PF. I'm not a big fan of open limping ANY pair in ANY position.

I think I probably call and lead turn here.

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Bad advice. Open limping has it's place...esp. with small pairs.

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How is open-limping 22 UTG at 6m better than open raising?

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It might not be better generally, but you have to take the table and your image under consideration. At this particular table there are many loose players (including 2 loose shortstacks) - look at how much play UTG+1 got on his pfr.

My point is if I raise UTG from this spot I'm likely going to get multiple callers (and probably not UTG+1-cause he's tight), including the loose shortstacks. In this situation c-betting the flop is just spew - particulary since they are probably already getting sick of me raising already.

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Nobody said that if you get multiple callers PF that you have to make a c-bet on the flop. And whats wrong with getting multiple callers? That would make the pot big for the times you flop a set.

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Raise PF. I'm not a big fan of open limping ANY pair in ANY position.

I think I probably call and lead turn here.

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Bad advice. Open limping has it's place...esp. with small pairs.

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How is open-limping 22 UTG at 6m better than open raising?

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It might not be better generally, but you have to take the table and your image under consideration. At this particular table there are many loose players (including 2 loose shortstacks) - look at how much play UTG+1 got on his pfr.

My point is if I raise UTG from this spot I'm likely going to get multiple callers (and probably not UTG+1-cause he's tight), including the loose shortstacks. In this situation c-betting the flop is just spew - particulary since they are probably already getting sick of me raising already.

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Nobody said that if you get multiple callers PF that you have to make a c-bet on the flop. And whats wrong with getting multiple callers? That would make the pot big for the times you flop a set.

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Well - one of the main reasons to raise is so you have initiate in the hand have the possibility to win it on the flop with a C-bet. That is just not likely to happen in this spot. Furthermore - as fishy as some of these guys are (not UTG+1) there is a good chance of getting their stacks (or a substantial portion thereof) in a unraised pot if I were to catch a set.

Everyone is so focussed on the PF - it is a no brainer for me. I'm liable to limp or raise with all kinds of stuff depending on table conditions and image considerations. I'm more interested in comments on the post-flop.

Lucky

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raise PF.

the flop you can do alot of things. Had the board been a bit drier, I think this is an easy call. It is possible that villan could be c/r-ing with AK[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] or something like that. I would raise here to $250 and shove a turn. I can see calling and shoving a turn though.